I am a highly gifted visionary philosopher

I've always enjoyed doing puzzles and tests and recently took two on-line IQ tests: one from Emode, and another from the International High IQ Society.

The verdict? Emode gives me an IQ of 138 and tells me I'm a "Visionary Philosopher" who's equally good at mathematical and verbal tasks (what??? I don't think so!). They then ask me to purchase a personalized IQ report for $14.95 so I can read 15 pages worth of how smart I really am.

High IQ gives me an even higher score: 146, which falls into the "highly gifted" category. This score is high enough to join their little club for a one-time fee of $59.95 so I can talk to other eggheads about how smart we all are.

Who takes these tests and actually ends up paying these guys? Or even takes these test results seriously? I mean it doesn't take a genius to see that there's a clear conflict of interest going on here.

If you're like me and like these kind of tests, I'd recommend giving them a try; especially the High IQ one has some pretty challenging questions. I wouldn't put too much value on what your final score is though - you'll have to take a real IQ test for that.


I just got back there and took another test - this time filling random answer choices. Guess what - my IQ is still as high as 92. Also it said that I possess very rare combination of skills and talents (only 6 people out of 1000 have it) that makes me an Intuitive Investigator. Wow! Any monkey, if trained to fill multiple-choice test answers can score 92 - that is, almost as high as an average human!

Posted by anon at July 26, 2003 10:22 PM

I can believe you can get a 92 by just giving random answers. It's probable you have to be smart enough just to want to do an IQ test. Those who have below average IQ probably don't even know what an IQ test is.

Posted by stelcha at September 1, 2003 3:24 PM

I think IQ tests are not that important
anyway as it does not directly reflect anything
of importance. However these IQ scores are
very effective feel good mechanisms and I guess
emode and etc are tapping that to make some money.
And if you do buy there IQ reports you'll also
have a high score on the SQ (sucker quotient)test.

Posted by Avatar at September 9, 2003 12:24 PM

Had to respond... heheh I agree about the SQ. I think if the emode test was really accurate it would have to drop your IQ to below average if you purchased the full report. I scored a 137. Did some reading and the highest score (on emode) is a 144. I've seen dozens and dozens of posts on various boards with people saying they scored in the 130's. I can remember taking IQ tests in middle school, the results of which were kept secret from me, but I remember they were timed. It makes sense to me that time would be a huge factor. After all, stupid people can do just about everything a smarter person could, it just takes them longer to learn how.

Posted by Jason at September 18, 2003 3:41 AM

I just took the emode test today, and scored a 140 (which is my IQ), but I did have all the time in the world to do it. Jason is right. The real tests are timed. Does this mean I've dropped a few points? I too am a "Visionary Philosopher"! Where does that come from? I don't remember seeing that in any pych book I ever read.

Posted by jay at September 28, 2003 11:13 PM

Aw shucks .. u mean I dun have an IQ of 131. Darn it .. and i only took 5 hours to complete it .. with the help of a few friends ... using calculators .. :p

Interesting though, how much faith is put into such statistics.

Posted by Colin Chow at October 2, 2003 8:47 PM

Howdy, I just took the Emode test twice, to test whether or not it is timed. It doesn't say it is, but I belive otherwise.

The first time I took it, and had to actually read the questions, I scored 118, the second time, answering all the same answers, but a little faster, it reported 124. So I guess time is a factor.

Oh, and could someone PLEASE explain to me this one:

7. John likes 400 but not 300; he likes 100 but not 99; he likes 2500 but not 2400. Which does he like?


I know there is a pattern, but it eludes me. Thanks :)

Posted by Aethyr at October 20, 2003 5:57 AM

400 = 2*2*100
100 = 1*1*100
2500 = 5*5*100
900 = 3*3*100

Posted by Luke Hutteman at October 20, 2003 9:27 AM

Can someone enlighten me with the cars travelling?
The one which says that they start in opposite directions,
travelling 6 miles each and then both turn left and then
go for another 8 miles. The question is "how far are
they apart?"

I asume that turning left means a left turn from the
cars point of view. So this makes a travelling route
which looks like this:


In a .pdf I found on the internet, someone actualy
paid for it, the right answer is stated to be 20.

But the sortest distance from end point to start point
for each car is 5 miles. So they are 10 miles apart.

Posted by guest at October 22, 2003 6:43 PM

No, after going 6 miles one way, making a 90 degree turn and going another 8, they are sqrt(6^2 + 8^2) = 10 miles from their start point. Since they both moved in opposite directions (as illustrated by your drawing) they are 20 miles apart.

Posted by Luke Hutteman at October 22, 2003 11:49 PM

Luke, thanks ... I myself was solving this equation, too. But being tired
I was too lazy to do the math ... even though simple. So I just marked
6 and 8 fields on my checkered paper and measured the diagonal distance.
The ruler said 5cm and I did not spend a second thought on it ;)))

Well, the squares are 0.5 by 0.5 cm and the diagonal was 5cm so 10 units
is correct and not 5 ;)))))) How misleading pictures can be if you
don't think ...

I should not do IQ tests and post false statements late @ night.

Hahahaha ... laughing my pants off over myself .....

Posted by Guest at October 23, 2003 4:39 AM

yeah, I always prefer to get my false statements posted in the morning ;-)

btw - no complex math is needed here... 3-4-5 is the standard pythagoras right triangle. 6 is 2*3, 8 is 2*4, so the long side must be 2*5...

Posted by Luke Hutteman at October 23, 2003 8:43 AM

I do believe these online tests are useful fun when done with friends/family. My sister got 126, my wife got 133, and I got 142, ha ha! It's good clean fun!

By the way, I found this thread because I was searching for information on "Visionary Philosoper." I'm a little concerned because the dictionary definition for "visionary" is not too flattering.

Posted by Michael at October 26, 2003 7:36 PM

I found this thread the same way and was a 138 "Visionary Philosopher" which makes me laugh. I'm wondering, Should I mail this to that professor who gave me a c in Metaphysics just to show him. :>
But anyways since we're asking, What about that question on the word jumble? It wasn't an ocean or a state but what was it?? I remember it had a g but don't recall all the letters. Anyone? thanks/ S

Posted by Sheilagh at October 26, 2003 8:16 PM

Woo Hoo I'm a visonary philosopher also, and found this link like everybody by doing a google on it. That must explain my high 130 IQ I got. BTW I think that word scramble is a country, ENGLAND. Don't remember how it was jumbled up. Hey does anybody have a link to those reports that they want 15 bucks for? Thanks, Later

Posted by Chris at October 27, 2003 12:01 AM

Thanks Chris that sounds right.

Posted by Sheilagh at October 28, 2003 3:37 AM

I am a member of the Visionary Philosopher / 138 bunch. I must have gotten only 1 or 2 wrong... don't even know which ones.

As for this question:

>>7. John likes 400 but not 300; he likes 100 but not 99; he likes 2500 but not 2400. Which does he like?
>>I know there is a pattern, but it eludes me. Thanks :)

The answer is simpler than that: All of the numbers John likes are squares (20x20=400; 10x10=100; 50x50=2500; and 30x30=900

It is fun to take these tests, but I'm finding they don't mean a whole lot. It's a little like crossword puzzles: they don't really predict your abilities, only how good you are at crosswords.

I've always believed myself to be extraordinarily smart in many ways, and this test and others are welcome confirmations. However, I think it is a little bit like a horoscope in that it tells me what I want to hear and I see in it what I wanted to see. I would say being called a "visionary philosopher" sounds good and not negative at all. Though I understand that Calvin Coolidge wasn't exactly a nice guy, his poem (or whoever it really belongs to) called "Press On" really sums up what I think is important. Note, I consider myself to be well educated, talented, and possibly genius; but I believe in the principle of this poem above any inherent or intellectual advantages I may have:

"Press On"

Nothing can take the place of persistence.
Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.
Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.
Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts.
Perseverance and determination alone are omnipotent.

Calvin Coolidge

So there's my two cents' worth.



Posted by Tom at October 30, 2003 12:55 PM

Ok...this time I took it, and as far as I know, I got every one wrong (perhaps I got two right, the two that I otherwise got wrong when I was trying to get them right). The result of getting seemingly every one wrong except maybe two is:

77 Word Warrior

"This means you have exceptional verbal skills. You can easily make sense of complex issues and take an unusually creative approach to solving problems. Your strengths also make you a visionary. Even without trying you're able to come up with lots of new and creative ideas. And that's just a small part of what we know about you from your test results."

Maybe by "exceptional" they mean exceptionally bad... or they're full of beans. You be the judge. Can anyone get a worse score than 77?



Posted by Tom at October 30, 2003 1:06 PM

You must've accidentally answered one right - I just managed to get a 72:

Your Intellectual Type is an Inventive Inquisitor.

You have the unusual distinction of being equally good at math and verbal skills. This means you are a creative thinker and are uniquely good at teaching others through experiences. You are also a great improviser and very good at handling change.

Equally good? try equally bad! and I guess they call being wrong all the time "creative"...

Posted by Luke Hutteman at October 30, 2003 2:35 PM

John likes 400 but not 300, 100 but not 99, etc. The answer is even simpler than the explanatios I have see here. John likes the largest number of any set--hence john likes 1200.

Posted by jj at November 2, 2003 9:21 AM

hah! google. what CAN'T you find on it? wanna see a sample of what your money buys? i found this one on google, cause hey, being a "visionary philospher" i deduced it would be stupid to pay. ;-)


Posted by gfy at November 3, 2003 12:59 AM

Ha! This made me laugh - yet another Visionary Philosopher (136) seeking same through Google.
Dictionary.com says:
Visionary: 1. Having the nature of fantasies or dreams; illusory.
Philosopher: 3. A person who is calm and rational under any circumstances.

Does this mean we're laid back dreamers? The Visionary Philosophers mind boggles...


Posted by DT at November 5, 2003 1:19 AM

I have a few questions:

If some Wicks are Slicks and some Slicks are Snicks, then some Wicks are definitely Snicks.

Answer: False
The statement is false because while some Wicks might be Slicks, there is no conclusive proof that any of them might be Snicks

But what if some Wicks are Snicks? This was not definitely excluded so the statement could be "true" or "false" so the correct answer to the question would be "neither" which was an option. Absence of evidence of truth doth not mean a statement is false. If it does, someone better tell the Pope!

40. Which design does not belong in this group?

Couldn't the answer be "A" (first set of circles) as it is neither a "pointee" or a "pointer"?

27. Which one of these five things is least like the other four?

Could not the correct answer be "coconut" as it is the only fruit that could also be considered a nut?

33. Which one of the designs is least like the other four?

Could it not be "E" as all of the other designs can be bisected by a single line through the middle dot.

As for question 7, the answer cannot simply be the larger number as there is no other number to compare the answer to.

As for Calvin Coolidge, what if you are really determined and persevere on stupid stuff or something you are wrong about? Was Hitler's pediatrician life worthwhile even if he dedicated it to healing children?

I think they are right. I am a Visionary Philosopher. Simply said, "I think too much!"

Posted by Matt at November 6, 2003 1:08 AM

There was certainly a high degree of choice in many of the questions as illustrated by the fruits question and the numbers John prefers. What criteria does one use in assessing the "correct" answer? Take, for example, the question regarding the 5 animals. If the criteria is the capacity to have offspring, then 'mule' is the odd one out. If the criteria is movement, then 'kangaroo' is the odd one as it hops on two legs, while the others move on all fours. And so on, with many of these rather lame questions by normal professional IQ test standards. Simply one more scam on the internet to relieve people of their cash.

Posted by Hugh Harrison at November 8, 2003 5:35 AM

To answer Hugh's comments about this question and answer:
27. Which one of these five things is least like the other four?

Could not the correct answer be "coconut" as it is the only fruit that could also be considered a nut?

I must add that I dont think the answer is coconut. I picked grape because it's the only one that doesnt grow from a tree . . . coconut trees, banana trees, apple trees, pear trees, grape vines. However, after thinking about both of our answers, both could be correct and I suppose are correct so then how do you attach points towards IQ to two correct answers?
All of this came to me of course as I was laid back dreaming about random things ;-) Actually instead of visionary philosopher I think they should just come straight out and call us all bums. "Congrats on your IQ, you're a bum! Give us $14.95 and we'll tell you more."

Posted by Daaron at November 10, 2003 1:07 PM

John doesn't like 1100. I the other series of numbers, 100 is not divisible by 3, but 99 is. 400 is not, but 300 is; 2500 isn't, but 2400 is and... 900 and 1200 are both divisible by three, but 1100 isn't, however, neither is 1000, therefore there's no pattern to work from there. But 1000 isn't and 900 is...1000 isn't and 999 is...choose your poison.

Posted by T at November 15, 2003 3:52 PM

I dont care about John, his favorite numbers, which way he drives, or if he is taller than his siter Jane. I dont care what any of you say. I love Emode... I am gifted for the first time in my life and also being a Visionary Philosopher delights me. So off with you people who downgrade this importance. It is my only proof that I am the smartest person in my house and thus should have full-time, unargued remote control access. Thank you.

Posted by duquguy at November 19, 2003 3:41 AM

I have a response to this part of matt's post:

"If some Wicks are Slicks and some Slicks are Snicks, then some Wicks are definitely Snicks.

Answer: False
The statement is false because while some Wicks might be Slicks, there is no conclusive proof that any of them might be Snicks

But what if some Wicks are Snicks? This was not definitely excluded so the statement could be "true" or "false" so the correct answer to the question would be "neither" which was an option. Absence of evidence of truth doth not mean a statement is false. If it does, someone better tell the Pope!"

I don't remember the exact phrasing of the question, but if the question was whether the if statement above is true or false, then it is, in fact, definitively false, whether some wicks are snicks or not. This is maybe a bit of picky logical preciseness, but if the statement at question is A and B entail C, then what we need to make the statement itself false is the possibility of A and B being true and C still not being true. C can still be true, but if A and B do not entail it, then the A and B then C statement is false.


Posted by Dave at November 20, 2003 5:01 PM

I, apparently, am also a visionary philosopher, having scored a 138 as many of you did. In reading these posts, it seems the test was merely designed to generate results that made the taker feel good about himself, regardless of actual score, and, thus, encourage him to part with some money. I was tempted to do so myself, but I went to Google first....

Like Hugh, Matt, and others, I noticed many possible answers to choose from on the test, and in some cases trying to determine which had a greater degree of correctness was difficult.

For number 2, I chose Kangaroo because it was the only marsupial AND the only one to move primarily on two legs, making it the MOST different; the mule's inability to reproduce is only one difference.

I completely failed to see the pattern in number 7, and I am grateful to those here who pointed it out to me.

Number 11 is false because of the word definitely. Had it said "If some Wicks are Slicks, and some Slicks are Snicks, then some Wicks are POSSIBLY Snicks," then it would have been true. But because it is possible to draw a Venn diagram that would exclude all Wicks from the Slicks circle, then the original statement must be false.

For number 18, "If all Zips are Zoodles, and all Zoodles are Zonkers, then all Zips are definitely Zonkers," the Venn diagram would look like a set of concentric circles, so it would be true.

For number 27, I chose grape because it was the only fruit to grow on a vine, however I considered coconut strongly because it was the only seed, while all of the others HAVE seeds. It then occurred to me that coconuts do have a fruity flesh, we just don't get them that way at the grocery store.

I chose E for number 33, incorrectly I am told, because it was the only only shape that could not be evenly bisected AND because it was the only shape that could not be cut into even thirds. I agree that it was the only one without angles, but that is only one difference, so I believe the test got that one wrong.

As for number 40, I attempted first to rely on logic, regarding the nature of the shapes, their arragements, and their relationship to each other, when another part of my brain kicked in and said, "Duh. C is smaller." Sometimes brains just work oddly that way.


Posted by Steve at November 20, 2003 5:24 PM

You said that the answer to # 26 was 10, but infact its 20. The math is plain and simple. And here i am, only 11.

Posted by juniekitty at November 20, 2003 6:20 PM

To my apparent suprise, I too am a visionary philosopher. And although I have wasted enough time on this matter, one question tortures me, #35.lol

You know the one...16 small boxes making a single square, followed by two other similar boxes (16 each),some blocked others empty...you have to identify the pattern sequence. What is the Pattern?



Posted by Wali at December 2, 2003 6:05 AM

Re: the boxes pattern. Think board game and moving pieces. To go from diagram 1 to diagram 2, two pieces are stationary and two move. To go from diagram 2 to 3, the same two pieces are stationary and the same two move and the movement is the same direction as before. Continue that pattern one more time and you have the diagram for the answer.

Posted by not wali at December 2, 2003 2:03 PM

Hi guys, I, too AM a a visionary philosopher. After checking all correct answers, I am still puzzled with the Question # 20.

In a race from point X to point Y and back, Jack averages 30 miles per hour to point Y and 10 miles per hour back to point X. Sandy averages 20 miles per hour in both directions. Between Jack and Sandy, who finished first?

The correct answer is Sandy, but why, any explanation? I was under the impression that since their average speed was identical, they would tie...

Thanks a lot for this posting!

Posted by Alan at December 4, 2003 2:07 PM

No, their average speed is not identical.

It would have been identical had Jack spent x minutes going 10mph and x minutes going 30mph, while Sandy would have spend 2x minutes going 20mph.
However, it will take Jack 3 times longer to go from Y to X (at 10 mph) than it took him to go from X to Y (at 30 mph). His average speed is therefore ((10*3 + 30)/4) = 15mph.

For comparison, consider how long it would take Jack if he were to go 40mph from X to Y, and 0mph from Y back to X. Would his average be 20mph? of course not, he'd never get back!

Posted by Luke Hutteman at December 4, 2003 2:25 PM

Geez there are a lot of us visionary philosophers out here. I'm one too. I don't know if this will be intersting to the rest of you VPs (as I've taken to calling us -- I may even start a VP club), but eMode seems to have changed question #27 (the fruit one). The list of fruits is different now. You get a mouth-watering choice between
I chose grape, and apparently got it right, but I'm not really sure why -- I guess it's the tree thing, right? Or maybe it's the only one without a "pit," per se? Incidentally, I vaguely remember reading somewhere when I was a kid that bannannas don't, technically speaking, grow on trees. For what it's worth.

Oh, and in response to Alan's questin about #20, here's one way to think about it: Say it's 60 miles between points x and y. Jack will take 2 hours to get there, and 6 to get back, for a total of 8 hours. Sandy will take 3 hours to get there and 3 to get back, totalling 6. Slow and steady wins the race. (Emode says I'm good at explaining mathematical concepts to others.)

Posted by Johnson at December 7, 2003 6:33 PM

A couple of points:

1. These tests are mostly written by people who are intellectually limited and have never been able to see more than one "right" answer

2. If you insist that your mathematical skills are awesome. You should realize that "math" is just one more language and if they had written the directions in some language you don't speak you probably would have no idea what the question was asking and would be just as apt to get the answer wrong as right.

3. The answers while a good challenge to your logic skills or cultural influences without a "time" element tell you nothing about your "brain power". Is is much like running the 100 yard dash and counting the steps it took you to run from point A to B and then saying, "Well it only took you 98 steps and that is the same as a person running it at 9.0 seconds flat so therefor you must be a 9 second man."

4. I was well entertained and like most people I am a VP but the one thing I know for sure is that the more I have learned the less I know.

5. Enjoy the good feeling of being in a group of people with similar skills and aptitudes who have the ability to look at themselves and laugh with you. It is so hard to find people with the keen sense of humor that I have experienced here. :)

Posted by Tim at December 7, 2003 8:08 PM

Well, I think it's actually fun, like said Tim, to find people with the same synthetic category as we all got from emode, it makes me feel as a part of a community of pairs satisfying my higher social needs for recognition and auto-achievement.
But, in my point of view, the most interesting aspect of all emode tests (and the IQ one in particular) is the marketing strategy this site use to make us buy their product. And here is what I mean:
I've spent some time on this test doing some (hard?) mental work in order to answer the questions, so (at some point) i'm glad to have gone trough it all. The feeling of have been able to achieve a goal (particularly not very useful or practical, except for my ego) makes me feel good and (at some point again) proud of myself.
At this very moment, during the so called calculation of the results time (very strange concept since computers do it so fast that we even forget that that what exactly computers where made for...) shows the add for a product (car?): The association in the background of my mind seems to be very clear (moments later-lol). I've worked hard, and now I'm feeling good => If I buy this product I would feel that good forever!! :D
But it's not all: after the add, I get my (very partial) results: SURPRISE!!! I'm a very gifted person, even more than I've personally thought, and those results are objective since they are given by a machine, which makes them easier to believe!! Now I'm absolutely sure that I'm a special one, there is even a Special category for the people of my kind and its called "Visionary Philosopher" !!!
But there still a little problem, the description they give me is some what vague, and even though I know how special I am, I still don't know what exactly makes me SO special!! How frustrating!! and it happens just when I was feelin' so high 'bout my self, which emphasize this bad and disturbing emotion I'm feelin' right now. But wait!!! there is a way to get this vital information and to feel that great again (and possibly even more!)and it costs ONLY(!) 14.95$. MY joy certainly worths more than a couple of $ AND I'm already so involved in this that I just can't let it down now, I HAVE to be constant with myself!!! this is surely a good investment which will help me to reinforce my self-confidence (I'll know exactly how special and rare I am) and provide me my real value (next time I'll negociate my salary with my employer, my raise will be much more greater)!! now that I have rationalized all my furious emotions , here, (PLEASE!!! -lol) take my credit card number...

Of course, all this was exagerated, but the underlaying methods are the same. ;)
thank you very much for your attention, i've really enjoyed this!

Posted by Surao at December 10, 2003 11:47 PM

Your comment begs the question: "which emode category is most likely to actually purchase that report?". It seems that visionary philosophers aren't that interested, but maybe other categories are? I'm sure emode keeps stats on this - I'd love to see 'em...

If any current or former emode employees read this, feel free to post those stats here anonymously ;-)

Posted by Luke Hutteman at December 11, 2003 9:59 AM

Well, I think I cannot really conclude 'bout whether the V.P. type is most likely to purchase or not the report, since the data is biased: people that have purchased the report are unlikely interested in spending time on the net trying to get more info on the subject or post commentaries. The Principe of buying the report is to get all the pertinent info directly from the original source, which must guarantee it's quality... but I must underline that, based on the report's link posted higher, I've personally found that the information provided within is not enough interpretative... And, please take note, that it's (almost?) impossible to get the complete list of other types of "Intellectual Type" on their site, so, in fact, and even if you have some quantitative data, you cannot really compare the type they give you and the type that maybe suits the most! it's like going to buy very expensive cloths guided only by the opinion of the salesman with no mirrors around... :P

And there is the answer to your question: "I can not even take a guess on the category that is mostly likely to purchase this report since I don't even know how many categories they list, and more, what are the particularities of each one of them"

But it's surely a very great marketing tool they have there, since all the personal data is logged and there is a lot of other tests you can try (they even propose to test a test on tarot cards - LOL!!) with some of them with very intimate questions.
And I agree with you, Luke, that it must be very interesting to get that data and run some correlation tests on it ;-)

The "enneagram test" (not the one from emode, of cause), I think, is more interesting since it is more flexible in it's conclusions and at least you can see all the different types (and your relation to them) at once . here is the link for a free one i juste tried: http://www.9types.com/newtest/homepage.actual.html

And one last thing: emode can determine my "intellectual type" since this is an IQ test (based on logic, observation, math skills etc), but a personality (i mean the whole) is made too upon some totally emotional behavior/reactions toward others and environment and if fact, maybe that my " emotional type" is so strongly in conflict with the "intellectual" one, that, in fact, most of the time their analysis is absolutly not valid!

Posted by Surao at December 11, 2003 11:54 PM

My question/comment as yet another relatively high IQ VP, is not which personality type is most likely to purchase the report, but which personality type is most likely to be involved in such introspective yet nonproductive activities as taking an IQ test at 4:00am. This obviously defines a specific group of people, in the sense that non-inquisitive,non- introspective types would not have found themeselves in front of the computer mulling over what type of personality they possess. Further more what type of person would do a google search on the vague personality descriptor provided to them, and wind up here? A Visionary philosopher would, of coarse. So you can see that everybody posting to this forum has more in common with each other than we think. Not only do we possess similer intellectual properties and personality traits, but we all took that information and did the same thing with it, a google search. I hereby recommend google to be the official tool of the VP. And I would like to say a big hello to all of you like-minded individuals. hello

Posted by Kelly at December 13, 2003 10:10 PM

# 11 is neither. Just replace the words with things you know about and you can get both true and false ans. Some fruits are apples, some apples are grannysmith therefore some fruits are grannysmith (TRUE). Some animals are jaguars, some jaguars are cars therefore some animals are cars (FALSE).

Posted by Mad Prophet at December 16, 2003 11:09 PM

Well, its like this: clickity-clickity-click, rip through the test just to get to the end. 138, Word Warrior. Woah! 138 and I didn't even try?? That's whacked...oOOooo..."Retake Test" ...[insert Jepardy Music here] (carefully taking test for real)....30 mins later...144, Visionary Philosopher. Not much of an improvement for such an extra effort, but boy I'm feeling smart today. :-) Nah, not really, those questions were too easy to be a real IQ test (nothing like the one I remember from 5th grade). Good thing my S.Q. ain't so low as it sometimes is...Google! Hello! ROTFL! Bye, now!


Posted by Michael at December 19, 2003 7:42 PM

#11 is true. You are using an invalid test case. The noun "jaguar" and proper noun "Jaguar" are two different sets.

Posted by ronpage at December 23, 2003 4:37 PM

the answer to this question is 900

7. John likes 400 but not 300; he likes 100 but not 99; he likes 2500 but not 2400. Which does he like?


The reason being is all of the numbers that he likes are perfect squares out of the 4 answers the only one that is a perfect square. i.e ( 900 = 30 * 30 ). i hope this helps you guys out. By the way i scored 144 on the test 8^) which got me, like several of you the visionary philosopher category.

Posted by Advinus at December 30, 2003 10:36 AM

Okay, I, too am a visionary philosopher who just scored 142. On the question of what number John likes, he likes the highest number in each category so I answered 1200 because it is the biggest number.

Posted by Amy at December 30, 2003 11:29 PM

okay, first off, this has to be the longest running thread I've ever seen in a blog... 9 months later and still goind strong... congrats...

but my question: are you in Charlotte, Luke?

Posted by Shannon J Hager at January 3, 2004 10:16 PM

Yes this thread is beginning to lead a life of its own - which is especially interesting considering the fact that the very first comment in this thread didn't come until over four months after I posted this... I guess it took a while before SharpReader's effect on my google-ranking was enough for this post to end up high on a google search for visionary philosopher.

BTW an even longer lasting thread can be found here, though I've personally not been that impressed with the product that's being praised there (which I bought partly because of that thread)

But to answer your question: yes I live in Charlotte, NC - about 8 miles from you according to GeoURL.

Posted by Luke Hutteman at January 3, 2004 11:43 PM

Is there room for one more 138 VP? I would like to join the club ... is the position of treasurer still open?

Posted by Dag at January 4, 2004 4:33 PM

We still haven't seen a "comprehnsive IQ report" for a VP. The only one posted is for a Precision Processor. Undoubtably that person wanted a precise definition of who they are and to quantify what the score means. I would still like to see a profile specifcally desribing our VP category. Has anyone purchased this information willing to share? If there is a link that some one knows of please post it.


Posted by Tom at January 7, 2004 5:15 PM

So, VP's would rather GOOGLE for their information than pay $14.95. I found this thread the way the rest of you 130-somethings did. I enjoyed reading your comments. Based on what I've read so far, there is probably more than one right answer to some of the questions. The logic used in answering the question (deduced from your answer) must dictate not only your IQ but also your type.

I can tell I fit in with the rest of your VPs, but we are probably folks who would not want to be members of a club that would have us as members (-; (paraphrase of quote variously attributed to Groucho Marx and other comedians).

If emode is reading this thread, they are probably laughing at how much we are what we protest we can not be, should not be, or refuse to believe we are. Is that philosophical, or what?


Posted by Carol at January 9, 2004 11:22 AM

So, I'm also a VP with a score of 133. How did I encounter emode and then stumble on all of this through google? I was watching CSAN coverage of the NASA Spirit mission and checked out one of the press conference reporter's web sites, space.com. There, while looking at new photos of mars, I saw the emode add and and clicked away! My boyfriend, who is currently a college student, walked into my apartment after being done with classes for the day and said,

"This is ridiculous! You're never going to get this wasted hour and half of your life back." as he saw me reading this post.

I must have something in common with all of you since we all ended up here and read all of this. The funniest thing is that he is right! (and the person who called us something like lazy geniuses is right too.) I just graduated with a BS in Biology a month ago and have not done much about getting a job of any kind yet! I preferred to read this than to finish editing my resumee etc. This is immensly more interesting than rehashing my past experience and trying to sell it to someone who may or may not have something that I want.

Hey! Maybe I can get paid to follow threads like this? Anyone have ideas on that?

And finally, as to the questions on the test:
What number was the one with the little circle with the arrow pointing off of it and the little square with the arrow pointing off of it? I chose an answer that seemed logical to me, but as we've seen, the test answer logic isn't the only possible one!

Oh, and as for my boyfriend, he is about to watch 6 hours of taped Abraham Lincoln PBS documentary with a brief break for "This American Life" on NPR! Who's the bigger dweeb? lol. (oh yeah, he's saying he has two jobs and is rubbing that in my face...)

Posted by Nora at January 9, 2004 2:53 PM

Hmmm... I have spent the last some odd minutes reading through this thread as I too am a VP with a 133 and found the thread through Google. Makes me wonder about the coordinated workings of the minds in our little group - must be something to the test other than a marketing ploy. I agree that several of the questions had more than one answer and am of the same opinion that the one you choose determines whether you are "visionary" vs. "inquisitor" or "philosopher" vs. "warrior" or whatever. What fun though; reading this thread has given me my first out-loud laugh in days. Thanks to all!

If we are going to start a VP club, I think we have to set some qualifications for membership:
1. Uses Google to search for info about self
2. Does not want to spend money on a report about self but will try to find a free one
3. Has no problem poking fun at self
4. Will discuss IQ score but only when the highest attainable score is unknown

Anyone want to add to the list?

Posted by Beckie at January 9, 2004 4:05 PM

Hey..... I'm another than had enough time to waste to take the emode test, scored a 138, and then wondered WTF a visionary philosopher was. Google brought me here, just like most others. BTW, count me into the VP club....I qualify on all for counts listed above.


Matt E.

Posted by Matt E. at January 13, 2004 11:14 AM

lol.....what kind of VP am I???? AT LEAST TWO typos in my post above.....hehehe

Matt E.

Posted by Matt E. at January 13, 2004 11:15 AM

Yes, Emode is just another idiotic scam, but don't sell the importance of IQ short. If everyone at your work and/or school took a full-length IQ test, you would almost assuredly find the most punctual, detail-oriented, verbally bright and consistently achieving individuals at the top of the list, and the most ignorant, divisive, close-minded and unproductive individuals at the bottom. Rather than work experience or degrees (which don't help anyway unless you have an advanced degree), I wish employers hired people based on IQ. Maybe then me and my useless bachelor's degree could land the kind of professional employment I deserve but don't get because of a lack of experience. (If you truly have a high IQ, then you know experience doesn't mean shit. Experience is worthless in comparison to talent and ability.) See, most mid-level HR managers don't typically have degrees and thus don't respect them unless they're advanced degrees, largely because they HAVE TO RESPECT an advanced degree, because everyone above them has one. Most mid-level HR managers who perform entry-level professional hiring do so after earning a certificate in Human Resources, usually via an 8-week course. (Yep, eight whole weeks, to my FOUR whole years.) This is in large part because these kinds of mid-level HR people and their non-degreed/general-manager counterparts in pick-any-industry who are your boss in a lot of jobs don't have high enough IQ's to finish college, typically. (A degree from an accredited university pretty much assures you you're dealing with a person with an IQ of 100.) I strongly believe a lot of these mid-level HR people and general-manager-types pass on degreed applicants for many professional positions because of their envy and resentment of degrees (unless it's an advanced degree, in which case they all but have to respect you and hire you); the ignorance of what it takes to EARN a degree; and, again, their utterly wrong-headed belief in experience. Professional hiring based on IQ would clear that all up forever. Most people with degrees would finally be able to get ahead; jack asses would be ousted (whether they have degrees or not, though most don't); and bright people with no degrees would have an avenue to succeed more than otherwise. No, we should never mock or belittle IQ... We should hope and pray someday it matters.

Posted by Pete Leary at January 13, 2004 11:44 PM

I found it to be a good tool to provide me with temperary self confidence and a bit of an ego trip for a day until I found out everyone got into the 130's. They made me feel special with that cute little name of a word warrior, and another time I took it i got the cute little name of insightful linguist. That made me a little mad, I don't see my self as two different kinds of people! Last time I checked I was only one person, but wow they made me tap into a new me and my parents kept this from me, I didn't know I was a word warrior and a insightful linguist, sweet jeebus! But overall I thought the test was extremely easy, I know i got every question right, so F*ck their results. But I also found their to be multiple right answers on them. Though they wanted you to just pick one.... I'm not found of that little trick to make me feel not as smart as I am. This is a bloody outrage, I think we should goto emode.com and burn them all to ashes, and by burn them all to ashes I mean murder them with fire, and by murder them with fire I mean tell them we disagree!

Posted by High-I.Q.BOB at January 14, 2004 5:42 PM

With the two cars going 6 miles in opposite directions on the same road question, if you look closely at your diagram and use your imagination a little you will see two right triangles forming a rectangle. "A" squared + "B" squared = "C" squared. Get it? That is one of my favorite questions. Has anyone else noticed that mostly VP's are here. I wonder what else that is saying about us.
This thread is just to entertaining.

Posted by Visionary Philisopher at January 16, 2004 10:10 PM

And here I thought I was the only VP around hehe. Thanks a lot yahoo. Was pretty surprised when i got a score of 135 which was significantly higher than what I got in high school. Sure made me feel good alright! Not good enough to part with $14.50 though. I agree that time limit is a factor in tests like these and although it wasn't enforced, it was fun! Fun to be called short of a genius...if even for a day. Also got my brain working again...can't remember when I last used it. Great to hear your comments and answers btw...nice to know I'm not the only one wasting my time on the net.

Posted by ego at January 18, 2004 1:59 PM

VP 133 and I've found my people! Beckie definitely hit the nail on the head; I agree with all four statements. And I bet there are other things we have in common...

- Does anyone like imported cheese?
- Can anyone speak in Elvish?
- Who here is not a narcissistic nihilist that giggles only at esoteric threads?
- What should we call ourselves?

VPs of the world unite! hee hee


Posted by Heather the Great at January 21, 2004 1:19 AM

Dear brethren and sisterthren we all seek meaning. As a VP I am particularly gifted at seeing patterns in my own droppings. We are all looking for answers so what I want to know is: Did Luke and Shannon trust this process enough to meet up?

Posted by Simon at January 21, 2004 1:15 PM

I too am a VP of the 142nd degree. I found this page searching for "$14.95", in an attempt to comparison shop for other similarly priced items that might stroke my ego. Would some fairly attractive gal be interested in sending me a phony love letter and maybe some photos for that amount?

Posted by Visionary Philanderer at January 21, 2004 3:53 PM

vp 135. Was feeling pretty good there for about a day untill stumbling onto the truth now...I always thought I was just like plato, maybe greater

Posted by alex at January 28, 2004 3:43 PM

I consider it invalid as there are more than one answer for some of the questions, as well as I believe the human brain is more flexible than getting stuck in one range.

But, it's still a measure to say, wait a minute, 95 percent of the people couldn't answer these questions up to the 130's, and around 98% couldn't get to 138. and 1/2 couldn't answer at the 100's level. Worry. you're driving on a road with them, working for them, electing them, getting medical care from them. Nothing wrong with say the 110's or 120's, but do you really want to drive on the road with 70's and 80's.

Posted by trill at January 29, 2004 6:31 PM

I got 138 on emodes IQ test, and I consider it low. I was expecting mid 140's.

I don't agree with the experience means nothing post. I've tried to train people with doctorates to be system admins and it's failed miserably. It depends on the person, not on the degree. I take for granted that anyone of normal intelligence can do the systems engineering job. I found out in some cases that's not true. I found college easy so it's not a big deal to me.

My brother-in-law got 125, and so did my niece. My boyfriend got 128. So not everyone gets in the 130's. Remember, people are coming here because THEY got in the 130's. They would likely go to a 120's thread if they were in that range.

To get the position I'm working in now - systems engineer 2, I was required to take a logic test (I've taken many over the years for computer positions.) Normally they're fun - The 1 logic question at the board, microsoft throws in their job interviews. But, this test was 3 pages, several questions and took 15-20 minutes, the questions were several tier logic questions, not the 2-3 tier usuals. After taking it, the people checked my answers and the area I was in of cubicles had people cranking their heads out too look at me. Weird experience. I got the job. They had to have passed my score around. I knew by the way they suddenly treated me, that they didn't usually have people score that high, even in the computer world where we are used to logic tests for job interviews. They didn't tell me what I got. They did bend over backwards meeting my pay requirement. That was last year when like now, there were few IT jobs.

As far as a bacholors degree, it's over rated. The average college IQ is around 115 I hope that's enough to stop it from going to your head. The only thing I found hard is paying back the loans.

Experience means you're proven. You wouldn't believe what we get when we hire degreed people without experience. I don't want to work with them. I dont' hang my degree in my cube and show it off either. I don't consider it a big accomplishment.

Posted by trill at January 30, 2004 2:07 PM

I'm another 133 VP. I have taken a Mensa IQ test before, and I got the same score. So to boost everyone's ego, this stupid test may be correct in determining IQ. However, I seriously doubt it. My personal belief is that VP's are the only people on the internet pathetic enough to see an IQ test in an advertisement and actually consider taking the entire 40 question test. Maybe we should be Visionary Dorks! But let us not refer to ourselves as VD's, I don't like the connotation.

Posted by Andria at February 2, 2004 3:10 AM

Hi. VP 138 here. I am selfishly requesting that ya'll smart people figure my life out. This is cheaper than more therapy.
I have a BS in biochem, an MD degree. I did not do residency nor do I want to. I am 36 years old with a husband, two kids, a house without a mortgage, two dogs. I have never had a real job except for summer jobs in high school. I like photography and gardening. Any paying jobs where I don't have to work real hard?

Posted by Angie at February 2, 2004 12:31 PM

Angie, what a waste of our time. This chat room is not your personal therapy session. You need to get your act together.

Posted by titus at February 2, 2004 9:26 PM

Proposed addition to the IQ test:

Given a bowl of Super-Absorbent Cocoa Puffs and the following constraints how long will it take before all the milk is soaked up by the Cocoa Puffs?

1) There are exactly 50 Super-Absorbent Cocoa Puffs in the bowl.
2) Each Cocoa Puff starts absorbing milk at a rate of 1 mL per second after enough milk is added.
3) 250 mL of milk is added to the bowl. This is enough milk.
4) You begin eating Cocoa Puffs from the bowl at a rate of 5 per second after enough milk is added.

Please send a box of Cocoa Puffs along with your response and I will independently verify your results free of charge. Shipping and handling not included.

-- Anonymous V.P. -- I still have hope; it's just not for the future.

Posted by elvis lives at February 2, 2004 9:38 PM

Nobody laugh, but what is an 'egghead'? I've been out of circulation too long having babies.

Posted by angie at February 2, 2004 11:52 PM

I, too, am a VP/136. Google led me to all of you, and I have to agree with one of the above posts that I fit the four-point criteria for membership in Club VP.

Google also led me to http://pkstyle.jangness.com/PKIQ.html which is the VP report! At last something other than the Precision Processor (it must be humiliating to be labelled a "PP").

There is no Cheapskate/Freeloader Percentile listed; I'm certain I would be in the 90-100 range accompanied by an insight similar to:

"You have, in some capacity, an ability to keep your credit card in your wallet. Maybe this strength comes out in subtle ways, like how you use Google or maybe read other people's reports."

Posted by Another VP Googler at February 3, 2004 6:06 AM

Hello VP's and thanks to "Another VP Googler" I too got a free report showing what appears to be the lower limit for VP's (another PP report is linked in an earlier message at 136). At 142 I got one question wrong (19) because I forgot my old rule that only odd counts can have an integer middle number and I was too lazy to count it out. Therefore one would conclude that given (by evidence via the links on this page) 136 got 4 wrong, 138 got 3 wrong, 142 1 wrong that 144 is the highest possible score and most VP's on this page are smart enough not to pay for the priveledge of viewing the answers and score sheet. 138 to 142 is the VP range, and maybe 138 to 144. Does anyone know or care to take the test again to find out what category a 144 falls in? Obviously the answers are avaialble now.
Knowing how hard it is to make a buck on the net, I think its just fine for the emode purveyors to polish the apple for all test takers- it would take one of surpassing intuitive inventiveness to believe that a negative category (e.g. brainless schmuck- BS?) would attract any credit card purchasers.

Posted by vic at February 6, 2004 12:14 PM

144 is also a VP... like many other people, I found this list while trying to figure out exactly what a "Visionary Philosopher" was. I notice that there are a few questions that apparently have changed since this was started. The question about the numbers that some guy likes and doesn't like no longer goes with the higher of the two numbers, he now likes 3600, but not 3700. Also, since the question about fruit was flawed, they again apparently corrected it. Now, all of the similar fruits are common fruits grown in the United States on a tree, while the odd one out, the grape, grows on a vine.

Posted by bigRoN at February 8, 2004 10:51 AM

So what I really wanted to know was whether or not the complimentary 7-day unlimited membership was worth the $14.95 ... it would certainly be cheaper than the career counselling I keep putting off.

Yes, we should certainly continue the discussion about forming a club. This would empower us to deal with issues like those that Angie and titus have. Being lazy dreamers -- er, Visionary Philosophers -- it would seem that we're much more apt to simply continue on our endless Google search for for the meaning of life, or whatever. A few other things could be added to Beckie's list, the third one of Heather's certainly qualifies, and possibly the first if we were to substitute European for Imported. (No, not French. They really haven't a clue. ;-)

The answer that I continue to disgree with is for question 33. The most obvious relationships in each of those figures is the relation between the 'point' and the sides/vertices surrounding it (all equidistant at the shortest distance, except in one figure.) Each of the figures, bar that same one, can be bisected by a line through any vertex and that point. The circle has more in common with three of those figures than the fourth. Even with the latest version of the test, the circle still beats the bottom triangle by one property (the new one being symetrical on one axis.)

Egghead is a non-intellectual's derisive term for an intellectual (more or less.) Presumably in reference to our enlarged, fragile braincases; but such a term is obviously too cunning for a mere mortal to coin. Angie, as the term dates from at least 1920, I expect you can be found somewhere in The Guiness Book or at Ripley's Museum.

Thank you all for sharing.

Posted by SoftBear at February 12, 2004 11:38 PM

hello everybody.... reading all your comments were as fun as taking the test... i too was considered a visionary philosopher and search through google regarding the subject and got multiple answers... anyway, i never thought i'd reach 131 as my IQ, i usually get a 124 to 126 rating... i too am skeptical about the result with the fact that it's not a timed test. timers actually rate or the ability of the person's mind to answer the question as quickly as possible giving the notion that the person's mind is actually intellectually gifted to take a lot of time to think a question over. and as somebody said earlier, or mentally challenged individuals can do the same, it just takes them a longer amount of time... i also agree regarding the club for "VP's" c",)

Posted by Dona at February 17, 2004 12:57 AM

I too was a 138 VP, except I would fail a critical thinking skills test because I fell for it and bought the full report.

guess I lost my brain for the evening -- or else really fell for the ego boost. ---

sorry Plato


Posted by Idiot at February 18, 2004 3:07 AM

In response to "Trill," who disagreed with experience being worthless... Maybe "worthless" was too strong a word to use, but the number of bright capable people with degrees and/or high IQ's not being given a chance in the workforce that I've met far outweighs the number of dim-to-moderately-witted ten-year veterans (or more) in virtually any industry that I've come across. I'm sorry you've had the experience you've had training college grads, but I still consider it a good indication of atleast a 100 (you say 115) IQ. If that's not enough to learn to be a systems engineer, I think it's tougher than you think or, no offense, you're a poor trainer. I did not mean in my post to make a big deal of my or anyone else having a degree; my point was to pump up IQ, which, I guess to a degree (no pun intended), you agreed with (when you say it's the person, not the degree); I just feel a degree can only help...

Posted by Pete Leary at February 18, 2004 5:28 PM

As a VP (scoring 140 the first time and 138(?) the second time....a few months later), i couldn't resist reading this entire thread, i was just looking for a simple, yet inspiring explanation without paying 14.95. I found what i needed, plus more. I truly believe we all have something "special" in common, and that is a comforting thought. we have unofficially started a VP club through the sharing of our ideas. All we need is an anthem. I'm coming across as really corny huh? well, the sarcasm is between the lines. The real question is, should i go to sleep now, or explore google's results a bit more in search of life's meaning?

hmmm...four hours of sleep will do.

Posted by Evaristo at February 20, 2004 2:23 AM

I can proudly say I scored 144 (out of 144 possible -- i checked all of my answers against the answer sheet provided). I must concede there are other ways to see some of the questions, but I chose the answers which I figured an average-IQed marketer would probably choose as well. Not to say I'm not any more average than he/she. As for being a VP, I would like to hope that only 5-10% of the population gets our scores of 135+, but I have my doubts about the provided graph and information. There are much more challenging IQ tests that will really tease your brain. Here's one example, though I'm not sure of its legitimacy (it's challenging, though):


I looked over the other tests, then relented with the 12min test. I pulled off a 144 again, but I think the correlation may be a coincidence. Secondly, this "group" also is looking to charge membership fees ($60!). I'm going to look into taking an actual Mensa test sometime, for a factual basis on which to brag to my family members about (you know that's what you did when you took it). Us "VP's" as someone brightly coined earlier apparently think alike. I took mine at some odd hour of the night, googled (to get the answers to see if 144 was highest), and stumbled upon this blog.

I wanted to add, about the "If some Wicks are Slicks and some Slicks are Snicks, then some Wicks are definitely Snicks. " problem:

Based on the technical use of the involved words, "definitely" doesn't necessarily qualify the reasoning suggested to make this question true: (the false reasoning qualified by the presence of 'definitely':) "... in all cases, there are always some Wicks that are also Snicks."

To make this more clear, let me give this example:
"If some Professional_Basketball_Players are Bulls and some Bulls are All_Star_Team_Basketball_Players, then some Professional_Basketball_Players are definitely All_Star_Team_Basketball_Players."

On an individual basis, (assumming we go back in time, of course), for this given set, Michael Jordan (a Professional_Basketball_Player) is (/was) on the Chicago Bulls, and he is *definitely* an All_Star_Team_Basketball_Player.

Note that in the above example, *definitely* qualifies the singular Michael Jordan (or "some") as definitely being an all star team player, it does not qualify the original/implied logic of eMode's question. The implied logic (deduced from the answersheet) is that 'definitely' is used to say that there are definitely All_Star_Team_Basketball_Players in every set of Professional_Basketball_Players, but the question is not well worded to reflect that logic. It might be better worded, though it sounds odd:

"If some Wicks are Slicks and some Slicks are Snicks, then in all cases, there are always some Wicks that are also Snicks."

But really, this question needs to be completely reconsidered, or the answer "It's impossible to tell." should be added.

The reasoning given on the answersheet (eMode's) that this question's answer is False is

"Answer: False
The statement is false because while some Wicks might be Slicks, there is no conclusive proof that any of them might be Snicks. "

Conversely, there isn't any conclusive proof that none of them are Snicks, either. There isn't any conclusive proof at all, as a matter of fact.

I chose False on this question, despite my analysis, because I figured that's how these testers were likely to see it in my opinion, and when taking any test, one should take the test's source into consideration. Further, I chose false because in some cases, this statement is false, (and in others true), and when dealing with True-False statements in combination with "If" statements in true logic tests, any false negates the statement. However, again, this logic doesn't necessarily apply to this question because it isn't assuming multiple tests or a single test. So, the question is too ambigious to answer false, true, or neither. It might be true in a particular instance, false in a particular instance, and it may be neither (if speaking about a few different instances of true and false, the answer is neither consistently true nor false). So everyone who got this one wrong by eMode's standards, I propose adding ~2pts to your aggregated IQ score.

Now here's a call for action to us procrasting VPs: Enhance your procrastination by being the first to form an official VP-designed test for our VP club. How about, if you pass a certain score, you're in (no price). Certainly there are some .ASP programmers in here or maybe even .JSP, if you are, you know what I'm talking about. There (within the members-only access area), you can argue and vote for the validity of the test you just took. If you can't pass, you can only argue legitimacy on a club-provided visitor forum (without voting) like, say, this one.

And a final note: a high IQ is nothing without applying yourself (as someone better put it, perseverance). I'm a freshman in college, and I had a chem lab teacher who was the president of Mensa several years in a row (Mensa is probably the most well known IQ club, accepts only top 2% through a respected IQ test). The way the local club worked (i'm not sure if this is how they all work), the Mensa president is whoever scores highest on the test out of the members of the local chapter, annually. Ours is, I believe, around 50, so she is probably at least top 1%, maybe .5% or higher in percentile. She applied herself during school and earned a double major (chem and i think biology), graduating top 10% of her class (probably 1% or so). Despite her academic achievement and high IQ, she admitedly was lazy and didn't apply herself in searching out her career and determining what was important to her. She is now caught between paying bills and teaching at a relatively low salary, and she apparently (from conversation) isn't very happy with her situation. To be wise, I think a person with a high IQ should use that as a tool to their advantage, but not as an excuse to slack-off and assume it's their automatic ticket to success.

Obviously, I also think people need creative outlets to pour some time into, and I definetly chose this for my hour's worth of break time before I get back to studying and social life.

Well, by now someone might confuse this as my blog, but I hope this post serves to clear some logic up from my point of view, and maybe even to inspire some of my fellow VPs to write their own post and then acheive something outside of "googling" and the subpar entertainment available through a computer screen.

Well good luck to all, I hope to check back some time to see where Luke's blog has grown to!


Posted by A.B. (another Procrastinator) at February 20, 2004 6:04 PM

I can't stop laughing while reading these threads, especially so when I reached Tom's posting on Jan 7. Tom, I think that VP's have created their own profile on this little blog. Yes, somehow we're all interested to know what a VP is but don't see the profit in paying $14.95. Gosh, I can't stop lauging... what if we all chipped in 0.01$ and end this quest :). Thanks for a great laugh people... and now, I need to do more lazying elsewhere.

Posted by Laughing at February 21, 2004 2:51 PM

uhhh ......15 PAGES FOR $15. errr $1 a page what a deal!!!! i want two

Posted by bald andugly at February 21, 2004 8:30 PM

i scored a 23 - and im a "Math Constipationer"

Posted by bald andugly at February 21, 2004 8:35 PM

I am so smart, I am so smart, S M R T, I mean S M A R T....

I took the test with a wicked hangover, scored a 138 and discovered to my delight that I am VP-Visionary Philosopher as compared to the DP-Drunken Philosopher I usually am.

Posted by The Mighty Smellbag at March 5, 2004 10:32 PM

Congratulations, everybody . . . this blog is officially one f---ing year old. I don't know what's sadder, that we live in such aimless times that people would waste enough of their time to keep this thing going for a year (I'm such a hypocrite, this is my third post here) while the world crumbles around us under globalization (which I support because it's princibly right, but in dire need of regulation) and the threat of us all being stomped by the elephant in the room (i.e., nuclear war between the U.S. and North Korea and/or a major, modern, all-out religious war against a hundred million Islamic fanatics), or the fact that I'm typing this at 12 AM on a Friday night. Okay, maybe those aren't really comparable...

Posted by Pete Leary at March 6, 2004 12:12 AM

The Post That Wouldn't Die
One year to the day from being posted, Luke's I am a highly gifted visionary philosopher post is still recieving comments.

Trackback from Sirsha Development Resources Blog at March 6, 2004 7:05 PM

WHat the...? You mean there are others like me out there??? Others, honoured with the title of Visionary Philospher, and wondering just what the heck that meant (and unwilling to pay!)... I took the test and was delighted, though sceptical, when I got an IQ result much higher than a previous test (also slightly dodgy). My inflated ego lasted a couple of days until curiosity overcame me and I decided to search google for the info., and came across this message thread, the first google listing. I've really enjoyed reading the comments, I feel like many of the comments are describing me, lol, especially about too much time on my hands... I also took (but wasn't willing to pay for the results of) the emode personality test, the Right job/wrong job for you test, the emode ink-blot test (apparently my unconscious mind is imaginative) and... hmmm, talking about wasting time, lol... I wonder if there's another test I can take!!!

Posted by Paj at March 7, 2004 12:40 AM

WHat the...? You mean there are others like me out there??? Others, honoured with the title of Visionary Philospher, and wondering just what the heck that meant (and unwilling to pay!)... I took the test and was delighted, though sceptical, when I got an IQ result much higher than a previous test (also slightly dodgy). My inflated ego lasted a couple of days until curiosity overcame me and I decided to search google for the info., and came across this message thread, the first google listing. I've really enjoyed reading the comments, I feel like many of the comments are describing me, lol, especially about too much time on my hands... I also took (but wasn't willing to pay for the results of) the emode personality test, the Right job/wrong job for you test, the emode ink-blot test (apparently my unconscious mind is imaginative) and... hmmm, talking about wasting time, lol... I wonder if there's another test I can take!!!

Posted by Paj at March 7, 2004 12:41 AM

Along the lines of creating a profile -- 136 VP,

  • How many of us are employed? (sell books on internet)
  • Have higher degrees (MAIS)
  • Eneagram number? (7)
  • Myers Briggs(ENFP)
  • Favorite Color???
  • Curious, curious, curious. Is it the VP'ness or just the profile of a person who would search out this blog

    Posted by Snow at March 15, 2004 6:34 PM

    Hi there fellow VP`s, I`m a 16 year old Brazilian high school student who stumbled here (guess how :P) after wondering what a VP was and beeing unwilling to pay for the information like everyone else here. I too I`m rather lazy and almost never do my homework as it bores me to death. I also agree that we all have something in common else we wouldnt be here, and I dont mean the VP status as that is rather a consequence than a choice.
    Let me explain it better with this little table:

    We all took the test (this was our first choice, if it hadnt happened we weouldt be here)
    We all got the VP status ( this was a consequence not a choice but it obviosly had influence)
    We all were intrigued by what a VP really was (a trait maybe?)
    Then we decided we should not pay for the information ( another choice)
    And so we chose to run a search on google who got us here (final decision)

    see? there were five "moments" at wich we could have made diferent decisions (or gotten diferent results in the test one) yet we did not we all made the same choices... and thats why were all here. There really must be a pattern to all this.
    Oh well it was nice reading these posts so thank you to all who did (and a big thanks for Luke for starting this)

    Signing Off

    Posted by Acer at March 21, 2004 6:17 PM

    What a waste of time! But hey, I got a good laugh...
    We arent smart...considering how many have scored VP!
    But we are sure special people who have nothing better
    to do but taking the Emode test and reading thid blog....

    Posted by june at March 25, 2004 2:50 PM

    Assuming that through mutations some can be born "better" in particular trait(s), which trait would you consider very, if not most, important?

    I rank "creativity gene" high, can you explain my logic behind this? Does it mean you are particularly creative? Absolutely,

    And best of all, i can tell you more for a nominal consultation fee, for more information, mail me at jack@ss.not

    Posted by Sad at March 27, 2004 9:26 PM

    I, too, am, at 140, a "VP" who found this through Google to avoid paying for the test. This thread is unbelievable and I find it simultaniously fascinating, hilarious--and scary!

    What I want to know is, would any of you attractive "VP" women out there be interested in meeting an attractive "VP" kind of guy in the Philly area?

    (Hey, I thought I would take this to the next level...)

    Posted by Paul at March 30, 2004 3:05 PM

    I'm jumping on the bandwagon, 138, Visionary Philisopher. I had much fun doing the test, and even more fun reading this thread here, simply amazing all these visionaries coming together and sharing their wisdom. :) No seriously, this thread *is* amazing.

    Btw, the question that completely puzzled me was "John likes 400 but not 300; he likes 100 but not 99......", i am glad you enlightened me here.

    It was a fun test but i won't put the score on my resume then i guess. ;)

    Posted by Kati at April 2, 2004 6:25 AM

    Hey guys I got a 144 thanks to Kevin..something...took me five minutes to get a perfect score. Type this URL in the adress bar...pure magic.

    Posted by RoboPimp at April 5, 2004 10:16 PM


    Can I still join the 138/Visionary Philosopher club? Of course I, like all of the people here, came to this page via google. I had a lot of fun reading the thread!!!

    Seriously, though, those IQ-results are incredibly different: Though the questions are usually more or less the same, I've had results ranging from 126-153, depending on the test. And I still got 127 in one really hard test even though English is not my native language and I didn't understand half the questions!

    Heh, maybe Visionary Philosophers are good at guessing... yes... if you look up the definition of 'visionary', it also says 'clairvoyant'! Yes! We have psychic powers!

    Ah... I see... money... in the near past... you saved a nice sum of money... ah, yes... 14,95$... you got in touch with your inner philosopher and connected to another medium... the internet!

    Well, that's my glorious contribution to this wonderful site.

    Goodbye, fellow VPs! ^_^

    Posted by Visionary Philosopher #477 at April 7, 2004 6:35 PM

    So now I'm curious if everyone in the 128-144 range is called a Visionary Philosopher. Hmmm.... Wonder what other ranges are called, like if you score 50-75, are you a Myopic Janitor? Still no clue here what VP means. Oh, well--I have to say the test was good for a little mental stimulation on a boring day!

    Posted by Stacy MT at April 10, 2004 3:02 PM

    Wow. This thread is great.

    Obviously, i am a 138 VP, and i came here, well, Googling VP after i decided the thing was too fishy to pay anything for it and definitely too vague (and sooo promising i had to find out, of course). We're really a club!!

    Now,... now that you all people have thrashed my ego so easily while all pretending that you were enjoying reading the thread, when you are all really pretending, because, well, you just realized that VP really meant "Bum with too much time and unwilling to spend", like i just did, i realize that my visionary skills headed me to this select club to enlighten you. Thank you God for this great day where i am able to get some of my ego back.

    The enlightment, my dear people, has to do, of course, with THE FRUITS.

    How come nobody answered that yet? (note: i do hope that nobody did, because actually, i skipped some parts of the rather lengthy thread...)

    Now, remember that i am a VP, not a word warrior, and that english is not my primary language. And being a VP, i do Google things like VP, but i won't spend another hour looking for vocabulary, so please, bear with my wording. You owe that for the enlightnment you are going to receive.

    Ok, on with the enlightnment.

    Of all the fruits, only one is naturally seen as coming in a "bundle" instead of coming in unit, and that is the grape. You would eat an apple, or a banana (even when bananas grow in a bundle), but a grape?

    thanks for this oportunity to bring my visionary philosophy to you all.

    It was great to be with you all. I love the Internet.

    PD: how where you suposed to "remember" that english is not my primary language? Well, you're a VP!

    PD2: Trill, i want to know more about that test. Can't you get a copy of it, or references or something? With your superb score and all those people in awe you should be able to get something...

    Posted by Alain at April 15, 2004 9:04 PM

    Yeay! I scored 136 and I have found my fellow gang of Visionary Philosophers! It seems we all took the same course of action and found ourselves here together. Does this mean we are all really smart?

    Posted by Kenneth at April 17, 2004 12:16 PM

    I took the timed 12 minute test, completed in 1 minute with completely random answers and got 96.
    From the legend: 85-99 Below the population average, but in the normal range. I guess even a monkey is normal by that standard.

    Posted by Darryl at April 23, 2004 2:07 PM

    So......... are all you Visionary Philosophers going to apply for MENZA membership? HaHaHa

    Posted by Ron at April 23, 2004 5:10 PM

    Me too, just did that damn IQ test and discovered I was a VP. Then I went to google and this site was the first found...spent $$$ buying that 15-page crap? No thanks!

    I got suprised I did not know some of fruits on the test (grape, cherry...don't remember de other..). Also, english is not my native language. Scored 129.

    Posted by Henrique S. at April 24, 2004 3:51 PM

    I too am a 138 VP searching google for the meaning of VP. As for the fruit question, I chose grape as it was the only with a soft eadible seed.

    Posted by Chantal at April 25, 2004 10:40 PM

    To- "The Visionary Philosopher Self Appreciation Society (VPSAS)
    Too much pontification can lead to insanity.
    Get on your mountain bike and go for a ride.

    P.S. Is the position of “Moon walker” still available within the society ranks? I feel that my test results show I would adapt well to wearing one white glove and walking backwards in a stupid way!

    Posted by MountIwannahokalugi at April 29, 2004 10:00 AM

    I got an 80. Well, on purpose: I entered a wrong answer to every question, just to see how low it would go.

    Posted by dopey at May 3, 2004 6:02 PM

    'tis not the only such scam of its kind.

    google for something called 'sigma society'. some trolling shows them with various addresses in sao paulo (brazil) and various aliases under western union for payment.

    if you really *like* getting deep headaches, try their 'level 6' test... it's a riot, especially the one about 'proving esp'.

    another 'fun' wee hours activity is ansir.com. try futzing with your answer sets, and map out the solution categories...


    yes there is a pattern here. the more imagination you have, the more likely you are to improve your abilities, learning, languages and curiosity.

    and the more likely to go googling after things.

    each of the multiple-choice 'test' questions has 2 'correct' answers, one of which indicates spatial ability, the other indicating logical ability. those are the only things being tested for (and of course, you having recognized that it's one of them).

    btw, the sigma tests aren't timed, and they are open-book - any tools needed are allowed. the nature of the questions is such that you can't just go look it up somewhere. such as: 'a hypersphere in 256 dimensions is intersected by 12 planes in 256 dimensions; what is the maximum number of 'spherical' triangles on the 'surface' of the 'sphere' that this can create?' enjoy, hehe.

    not that you cared, but...

    in researching the boundaries of 'what is me', i have concluded, as intellect increases (population-wise, not individual), that the extreme logical intellects eventually phase over into autism (perhaps, as so much processing is occurring, that the visual cortex gets under-processed?). then, as connections increase (past IQ 185 or so), the mind is somehow able to synthesize compensatory linkages to simulate normal behaviour, almost as though relegating things to the lower brain-stem;

    in other words, though i can appear autistic if i want to, just 'letting things ride' results in off-the-cuff, almost 'instinctive' reactions, that others find 'strange', but not autistic. my measured 'prometheus' iq is 280+, concentrated in spatial and pattern recognition.

    i suck at chess, can't do calculus, dropped out of college several times, but have successfully sold my art all my life; thinking in rhythmic free-form poetry comes naturally, as do my 6-odd languages. investments have paid the bills most of my adult life (art doesn't pay, didn't you know?).

    the world is a fluid dance, everything contributing, pretending to compete, swirling in multitudes of ever-changing harmonies. where the individual begins and ends is open to speculation, all is information, all is synergistic; break the patterns, and the world quickly heals the hurt; such is called karma, but having a word for it doesn't mean we understand it. words often limit the full scope and impact of direct experience.

    my two cents.

    Posted by pegged at May 4, 2004 4:20 PM

    im a 135 and i have found that most people here are layzy, cheap,and unsuccessful, just like me. but i also found that alot of people here are intelectuals, or atleast show a rather extensive vocab and a proper grasp of grammar. but i still dont think the test is entirely valid. i wonder if we have more in common than just a stupid test score. since today is my day off and have nothing to do, i went ahead and took the inkblot test as well.(by the way ladies it turns out that my subconcsious is mainly driven by LOVE.)anyway what im really interested in is if any of you play an istrument, like terror and fantasie movies, or have a really strong sex drive. if you do, donot hesitate to drop me an email. as for those who want to start a club or something, i am willing to join(if its for free).\m/(>

    Posted by efrain at May 6, 2004 8:48 PM

    oh and can someone post the answer to the very last question please. the one with 5 shapes and u have to pick wich one is diffrent.

    Posted by efrain at May 6, 2004 8:53 PM

    Luke? Oh, Luke? Bwahahahaha!

    Posted by Phil Ringnalda at May 6, 2004 10:43 PM

    Very interesting thread here. It good to know that visionary philosopher was a term invented by the guys that do this IQ test. And at first I thought it was a real pysch term

    Posted by Juan P Murga at May 11, 2004 1:34 AM

    I think visionary philosopher means stoner
    anyone else agree?
    a lifetime "visionary philosopher" of 138

    Posted by lovely at May 14, 2004 5:30 AM

    I ... *crosses arms* am a 138 VP ... *hands on hips* Without paying for the info .. *thrusts chest out*

    I can't even divide, dropped out of hi school in tenth grade, and thought that I smoked, drank or dropped away my last functioning brain cells - till this glorious day at 42 I banged a 138 out of 144? Pa-leeze, this cannot mean HR at nasa should hire me to do anything beyond scrubbing spaceships .. *Plato wept*

    Unseaonably cool thread tho, laughing my ass off that we all stopped at the same door with no handle. Tho being a visionary I should have seen it comming ...

    Hey, the 144 VP who suggested awarding 2 points for any of the 3 possible answers has to accept responcibility for this: My adjusted score is + 4 because I got there's right first, but must be rewarded for the remaining two options. So I sit with an adjusted score of 142, while he should deduct points for falsley claiming that there is only a possible 144. True 144's who got the 'false' correct have an adjusted score of 148 ..
    Voila - the worm turns ..
    Where's the club?

    Posted by Sparky at May 16, 2004 5:43 PM

    I am a 142 VP (I bet you are all amazed!) I just thought it was interesting that Chris Finch (one of the smartest blokes David Brent knows and certainly the smartest guy Garreth Keenan knows) also has an IQ of 142. He's won the Wernam Hogg quiz 7 times and thrown a kettle over a pub, what have you done?

    Posted by DORR at May 23, 2004 12:38 PM

    man this is the funniest thing i have read in a long time, i also came across this site while googling "Visionary Philosopher", yes i am also a 142( read em and weep). because i am such a visionary i think thats why i did not sign up for the $15 subscription.. anyways thanks to all you VP for cracking me up..

    Posted by motswana at May 26, 2004 6:32 PM

    just did the test, 136 visionary philospher. Well i can understand what that means in relation to there $15 iq test report. Due to my visionary skills, i can see past there scam and in responce to my philosophical skills, i notice that it is full of $!@#.

    Posted by Mike at May 29, 2004 12:19 PM

    WOW!!! I actually took time to read all posts... Guys, what we need to do is get up from our buts and do some actual work... There has to be some use to our smart but lazy brains. By the way here's $15 report for VP with 138 score -- http://pkstyle.jangness.com/PKIQ.html. I assume they all look the same.

    PS. NYC rules.

    Posted by Steven at June 2, 2004 8:41 PM

    I had a lot of time and there was nothing to do. So I took the test. Guess what I am also a VP. My openion is that the IQ test is a stupid one. Because .... I know what could be my IQ range. It for sure not 142.

    Posted by Muntasir Chaudhury at June 3, 2004 3:57 AM

    Hey 138 vp's - I just challenged a 135 vp thread to softball or scrabble - so if you see a bunch of 135's *giggle* with genuis envy lurking about, don't scare them away with your mighty intellect till all the money been collected! (they think it's unreasonable that they all can be so smart from 131-135) .. Aint that cute?

    Posted by sparky at June 6, 2004 7:58 PM

    I am a 138 VP and this is my first blog. Thank you fellow VPs for this opportunity. Thanks also for all the laughs...and thanks for slappin' me back down to the reality that I may be bustin' the IQ test charts with my superior intellect (as I am equally skilled in math and verbal skills), but I'm still unemployed with a doctorate degree. "Would you like fries with that?" I've been practicing now that the economy is on the "upswing". Maybe I'll be able to get one of them there fancy new-fangled jobs created to cut into the 2.something million we lost. Yippee. I think I'll include my VP status and 138 score on my next resume.

    Posted by Janet at June 8, 2004 12:00 AM

    Hello VP's,
    I came by the test on the web and tried it out. Having danish as my native tongue, I didn't expect a high score and there was a couple of questions I didn't get because of that. However, I am also a (135-)VP. The $$-thing was expected, though. Thank Google I found this page.

    Posted by susanne the bbb at June 16, 2004 8:57 AM

    I am sure many people here would be curious as to what categories there are and what the other reports actually say without buying anything.

    Someone in an earlier post put this link up to a "report" they found off Google (thank you):

    I was trying to discover the other URLs for the other "reports" given the previous URL, but I was unable to guess the URLs to the reports themselves. Maybe lots of others trying to guess would be more successful.

    I was able to guess the following images that are not contained on the previous URL, though (if this helps):


    I have also found someone who actually put their IQ "report" on their website. (!)


    There are supposedly these 4 aptitudes measured by the test:

    My guess is that since there are 40 questions and because the percentile bars shown seem to be only in increments of 10, that there are 10 questions dedicated to each sort of problem.

    It would be nice to know which questions are in which category, for experimentation purposes. Some questions are easily categorized, but some are not. Here are my guesses:

    Mathematical   Visual-Spatial   Linguistic       Logical
    ============== ============== ============== ============== 
    13             39             16             11
     3              6              8             18
    15             33              4             12
    17             34             22             14
    19             35             25              5
    20             36             28             27
    21             37             29             32
    23             38             30              2
    24             40              9             31
    26              1             10                   

    Obviously, if each category should have 10 questions, this isn't right. Question 10 should actually go in the logical category, but this would leave no room for the math question that must actually be categorized as a logical question. I'm going to go with this list, though.

    The following is a collection of some of the things that I’ve learned through my own experimentation:

    144 == max score == "Visionary Philosopher"
    get only Math problems listed above correct => 91 IQ, "Precision Processor"
    get only Visual-Spatial problems correct => 90 IQ, "Inventive Inquisitor"
    get only Linguistic problems correct => 90 IQ, "Word Warrior"
    get only Logical problems correct => 88 IQ, "Precision Processor"
    72 == min score == "Inventive Inquisitor" (like Ben Franklin? right.)

    I haven't read about anyone that was in anything other than the above 4 categories. There are obviously other combinations that can be tried, though.


    Although the test is an obvious marketing gimmick that plays on people's desire to be recognized as the truly brilliant people that they always secretly suspected they were, I found the test itself fun.

    I also noticed that the wording of their website is very careful to not say anything about the user's IQ. They write about the user's "IQ score", but never their IQ. They let the reader make the mental jump that they are the same. i.e., on the website provided by someone else above: "You scored 138 on Emode's IQ test. This means that based on your answers, your IQ SCORE is between 128 and 138. Most people's IQs are between 70 and 130..."

    Posted by Diana at June 23, 2004 12:59 PM

    Using some key phrases from the VP report, you can easily find other reports online.

    Posted by Luke Hutteman at June 23, 2004 2:54 PM

    Thanks for the suggestions on the search terms. I hadn't thought of many of them!

    In case anyone's interested, this is what I've found according to the experiments I've done. The categories for the questions are the same as I listed in my previous post.

    Questions Gotten Right vs. IQ and Intellectual Type Assigned
    0 strengths
    get no problems correct => 72 IQ, "Inventive Inquisitor"

    1 strength
    get only Mathematical => 91 IQ, "Precision Processor"
    get only Visual-Spatial => 90 IQ, "Inventive Inquisitor"
    get only Linguistic => 90 IQ, "Word Warrior"
    get only Logical => 88 IQ, "Precision Processor"

    2 strengths
    get Mathematical, Visual-Spatial => 108 IQ, "Precision Processor"
    get Mathematical, Linguistic => 109 IQ, "Word Warrior"
    get Mathematical, Logical => 108 IQ, "Precision Processor"
    get Visual-Spatial, Linguistic => 108 IQ, "Word Warrior"
    get Visual-Spatial, Logical => 106 IQ, "Visual Mathematician"
    get Linguistic, Logical => 106 IQ, "Word Warrior"

    3 strengths
    get everything except Mathematical => 124 IQ, "Insightful Linguist"
    get everything except Visual-Spatial => 126 IQ, "Facts Curator"
    get everything except Linguistic => 126 IQ, "Visual Mathematician"
    get everything except Logical => 127 IQ, "Inventive Inquisitor"

    4 strengths
    get all problems correct => 144 IQ, "Visionary Philosopher"

    Basically, you can't lose.

    People who are exactly like you if you fall into the following categories:

    Visionary Philosopher: Plato
    Precision Processor:   Pythagorus
    Word Warrior:          William Shakespeare
    Inventive Inquisitor:  Benjamin Franklin
    Insightful Linguist:   Charles Dickens
    Visual Mathematician:  Albert Einstein
    Facts Curator:         Bill Gates

    Example full reports online:

    Visionary Philosopher
    Visionary Philosopher
    Precision Processor
    Precision Processor
    Insightful Linguist
    Visual Mathematician
    Facts Curator
    Facts Curator
    Word Warrior
    Inventive Inquisitor

    Posted by Diana at June 23, 2004 10:33 PM

    Thanks for the analysis Diane - interesting stuff.

    I would think it's highly questionable btw that people like Bill Gates and Albert Einstein supposedly do not score well enough to fall into the VP category...

    Posted by Luke Hutteman at June 24, 2004 12:24 AM

    I'm sure they all would have been in the VP category, even Pythagoras before his theorem! Ben Franklin would also be really happy to know that he has been categorized with people who are just competent enough to do their laundry...

    Anyway, I'm acquainting myself with your nice program, SharpReader. Great job.

    If you can answer, what do you use to implement your blog? I'm starting to figure out (today, thanks to searching about VP and finding your website/blog) that blogs have a lot of potential for information sharing between a wider variety of people (even Inventive Inquisitors) than do newsgroups. I'm getting off-topic here, so I'll stop.

    Posted by Diana at June 24, 2004 1:20 AM

    I use Movable Type for my blog.

    Posted by Luke Hutteman at June 24, 2004 9:27 AM

    I am a 135 VP and, like everyone else, google'd my way here. Very interesting thread, I believe most of us have many things in common. It's inevitable that this thread will one day end - perhaps we can preserve this "group" by creating a website where we can gather to "talk" and share our insights on whatever subjects we deem worthy.

    Posted by Andy at June 24, 2004 12:30 PM

    darn. and there was me thinking i was the only visionary philosopher in existence. hmph. i do enjoy doing these iq tests, for the simple reason that i am bored and it is late and i have nothing better to do. amazingly my iq has increased by 4 points in the last couple of months... iv now reached a nice round 135, yay for me. i think its rather strange though... two months ago i was an insightful linguist at 131 and now im a visionary philosopher.

    im sure all my maths and science teachers who failed me this year would be thrilled for me. not.

    Posted by alexis james at July 3, 2004 8:11 AM

    oh wow i just went through my answers with ur thingy above, and i only got 2 wrong!! how cool.

    Posted by sam at July 3, 2004 8:22 AM

    After reading the comments by my fellow VPs, I think the testmakers should revise our profile. I read Plato in college and I sure don't remember him for his great sense of humour! How about:
    "Congratulations, you are a visionary philosopher. This means you probably will be too lazy to get out your credit card, but not too lazy to surf the web looking for free information. Although we have found VPs to be cheap, they are funny, able to laugh at themselves, and generally use proper grammar and spelling when posting their comments."

    Posted by Lawrence at July 6, 2004 2:08 PM

    You noticed the grammar also? I think it's really unusual to have an online discussion where the majority of the users write in acceptable English. Although that may change now that I listed all the other categories above... Sorry! :-)

    Posted by Diana at July 7, 2004 6:07 PM

    That's so funny. I did not notice the grammar until I checked out some other blogs. You're right. We actually write whole words and complete sentences. I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing. Doesn't this make us even bigger nerds than those that blog all the time and use shortcuts? Are we a special clique of bloggers with an underground subculture of grammatically correct blogging? "Viva la VP!"

    Posted by Janet at July 9, 2004 12:50 AM

    I think most people are just searching for a sense of identity - impromptu groups online or long threads like this one are a form of this. Ex. our little 'vp' community. Come on!! There are only 7 intellectual types according to Emode. So does that mean each of us fits neatly into one of 7 categories? that was a rhetorical question, in case you were wondering. The tests are fun, but don't pat yourself on the back just because you have an IQ of 140 and are a VP. Embrace the OTHER qualities that make you you. You dont' need the authority of any online source or community or money-making scheme to tell you that. And the basis for identifying with a group/community really should require something more than similarity in the test results to such a neatly categorized and therefore limiting test. You can't embody the essence of a person in one test result. And community involves living LIFE together, connecting in person, knowing people's quirks and oddities in real life and not just typing BLAH to each other on computer screens. That's my rant.

    Lastly, what's with people starting there posts like this: "I, too, am a NUMBER and a TYPE". Don't buy into the labeling!!!

    Posted by Jubes at July 14, 2004 2:38 PM

    I really enjoy our VP community. As stated before, there are only 7 intellectual types according to Emode. The chances of that are only one out of 7! That means the majority of people here are just like me! We should really get together sometime, since we have so much in common. I'd like to give myself a pat on the back because I have an IQ of 144 and I am a VP. I really like to be around people who get un-lopsided generally high scores on this test. When I think about it, there really aren't other characteristics in other people that I value or "embrace." I am so glad that Emode came along with their professional psychologists and could tell me authoritatively that I belong in this exclusive group. I find that when describing myself, it's done most consisely by just mentioning my intellectual category on the Emode test. I would go as far as saying that the very essence of a person can be embodied in this test result.

    Posted by Diana at July 14, 2004 3:17 PM

    I, too, am a NUMBER and a TYPE.

    Unfortunately, my NUMBER is only 138 so I cannot pat myself on the back just yet. I really look up to people like Diana who have earned this right... I guess I will have to find some other qualities to make me me...

    Oh well, at least my TYPE is pretty exclusive... one out of 5040? wow...

    Posted by Luke Hutteman at July 14, 2004 4:44 PM

    I'm not invalidating or deconstructing your thread. Look, I even came back to check if anything new was up! What I am doing is being cynical about the whole 'club thing'. Anyways, Luke, your tongue-in-cheek is so subtle that I can't read between the lines. This proves that my score of 140 means nothing since I don't have the capacity to decipher your post.

    one out of 5040? Where did that number jump out from? Another proof of my lack of intelligence. No wonder I myself need to find other qualities that make me me.

    But really, how do you feel about this extension of your blog? Are you a proud parent? or a detached bystander?

    Posted by Jubes at July 15, 2004 2:46 AM

    Regarding the whole "club" thing: I hereby issue a decree that anyone that hasn't figured it out by now that this page is the club will be shot have 20 points subtracted from their IQ and will no longer be allowed to call him/herself a "visionary philospher". Be gone!

    5040: Diana wrote that "The chances of that are only one out of 7!"

    and how do I feel about this page? it amuses me enough to keep the comments open, something I haven't done for any other post this old. Some posts here are interesting, some are funny and some are borderline stupid, proving that either IQ doesn't mean all that much or the emode test is inaccurate - probably both.

    Posted by Luke Hutteman at July 15, 2004 10:06 AM

    I like Mad Prophet's post earlier in this thread as a good example of some confused thinking (though perhaps deliberately):
    "# 11 is neither. Just replace the words with things you know about and you can get both true and false ans. Some fruits are apples, some apples are grannysmith therefore some fruits are grannysmith (TRUE). Some animals are jaguars, some jaguars are cars therefore some animals are cars (FALSE)."

    1. It's trying to prove the truth conditions of syllogistic logic by recourse to empirical evidence.

    2. It uses 'jaguar' with a different referent in each premise.

    3. The apple example is not helpful because it portrays a concentric Venn Diagram. In this case all Snicks (Granny Smiths) are Slicks (apples), and all Slicks (apples) are Wicks (fruit). These hidden premises thus entail that all Snicks are Wicks, which in turn does indeed entail that at least some Wicks are definitely Snicks, if combined with the other hidden premise that some Granny Smiths exist (i.e. Snicks is not an empty set). Better to use an example which implies no prior logical link between Wicks and Snicks. E.g. Some fish are foul-smelling things. Some foul-smelling things are dogshits. Therefore some fish are definitely dogshits.

    4. Finally, question 11 asks whether the two premises necessarily entail the conclusion.
    If examples can be produced where the scenario described in the conclusion is true when the premises are true and examples where it is false when the premises are true, then the claim that the conclusion is 'definitely' entailed is false. The idea that it means the statement is somehow neither true nor false is a complete departure from reason. Perhaps that's what to expect from a mad prophet.

    Meanwhile, I concede the point made by A.B.(another Procrastinator) that "definitely" could be interpreted as a property of a member of the Wick group rather than an operator on the conclusion. But I don't think this requires the question to be completely reconsidered. Couldn't it just be phrased "then this definitely entails that some Wicks are Snicks"? (I know 'necessarily entails' is tautologous, but some survey-takers might not).

    When I took the test (now branded as Tickle) they'd changed the word 'some' to 'most'. This doesn't affect the logic, but it makes it harder to think of counter-examples so is likely to throw people.

    By the way, I really was a Philosopher, by study rather than profession. I didn't think I was Visionary, unless that means I masochistically waste a lot of time Googling and browsing this kind of blather.

    Posted by GroigRoy King of Faff at July 16, 2004 2:40 PM

    Tonight, I restored my browser favorites because my old hard drive got hosed and I had to install a new hard drive. To find this page again, I went to Google and entered:

    "I am a Visionary Philosopher"

    Guess what? There are several other "groups" like this on the Internet! Here are some:

    Site 1
    Site 2
    Site 3
    Site 4
    Site 5
    Site 6

    Just to see where AOL-types of folks get directed to, I did a few searches on Netscape (I'm not including any of the previous links, so you can't necessarily make any conclusions about the IQs of AOL people):
    Site 7
    Site 8
    Site 9
    Site 10

    There are definitely more but I got the idea. This is apparently a hot topic of discussion.

    Not all of the blogs are started by a visionary philosopher, but I still can't help thinking: why are the crowds in each of the blogs different? Luke writes that he is "highly gifted", so that obviously puts him in a whole other category. But seriously, some of the other blogs have different types of people entirely. What sets the tone for a particular blog? The first comment or the first few? Does the fact that Luke is a programmer play a role?

    Posted by Diana at July 18, 2004 12:19 AM

    What matters is not what some site say we are but what we actually are. Most people that took this test ended up as VPs but that is not important and almost all ended up posting on one thread or the other.
    True the result of the test boosts the ego for as long as it takes for google to produce the result of the search on VP. Life still continues, WE have to move on and face the practical realities of life we live in.

    Posted by Raleke at August 11, 2004 1:56 AM

    Hahaha, Google must love my site since everybody who's been googling for VP has been directed to / linked to my page. w00t w00t!

    Posted by Peeeekaay at August 18, 2004 7:21 PM

    I think the test was just to inspire people to futher their education (optimistic veiw) Or, to see if they called you smart / VP if you would be dumb enough to give them 15 dollars (pesimistic veiw).

    Posted by jason at September 7, 2004 5:54 PM

    I am not as smart as my university professors thought me to be, for I scored a mere 130 on this test recently, and a 140 on a much earlier occasion.

    My university tests a hundred years ago (and independent IQ tests administerd by professionals) showed me to have scored at nearly 150 on every occasion, with one test showing me at a 165+ level. I apparently need more "schooling" on how to take such tests! But I am no doubt too old now. Perhaps my age has something to do with my decrease in intelligence? TM

    Posted by Tommy Manning at September 17, 2004 5:29 PM

    I'm sorry I missed the last meeting. I heard Diana's pineapple upsidedown cake was delicious. I can bring donuts to the next meeting. Luke, I know our Secretary has been very busy, so could you please forward a copy of the minutes to me so I can get up to speed? I want to get a head start on deciding which committee I volunteer for. Thanks and I'll see ya next time.

    Posted by Janet at September 29, 2004 9:29 AM

    I'd be glad to give you the recipe, Janet. See you at the next meeting!

    Posted by Diana at September 30, 2004 7:34 PM

    Just stumbled across this page - too funny, and great reading! By the way - even though my initial score on the Classic IQ test was 138/VP, I didn't get here by googling *that*. I got here by googling information on WRONG answers in IQ tests - I had taken another one online and was curious over one of the questions I got wrong. (See below - I would be interested if others felt the same logically)..

    By the way, I recently took tickle.com's 'SuperIQ test' and guess what? I scored *lower* (131 instead of 138) and that one says I am now a 'Creative Theorist' (whatever the heck that is). I would be interested to know if my fellow online Visual Philosophers are also 'Creative Theorists'.......

    Several IQ questions I have come across that strike me funny:

    1.) Which doesn't belong:

    Stockings, Dress, Hat, Shoes, Purse

    I said 'Dress' because to me, everything else on that list is an accessory!! Of course the answer was Purse (the test creator felt that one does not 'wear' a purse). Which I think shows some gender bias because frankly most women I know do 'wear' their purses - on their arm, over their shoulder, in their hand, etc..A lot more often than a 'hat'! :)

    2.) 2 is to 4 as 4 is to:

    Quick what is the first thing that comes to mind? 16 for me!! But I can also see where one might get 6 or 8. Guess what - the 'acceptable' answer is NOT 16 - the acceptable answer is 8. Blah!!

    3.)My son had this question the other day: What doesn't belong: Horse, Kangaroo, Donkey, Deer, Zebra - He said Zebra because he said he'd never seen a striped Donkey, Horse, Deer or Kangaroo! (On the Classic IQ, I said Kangaroo, because everything else walked on all fours, but I don't recall Zebra being in *that* list).

    For the whole, tests like these are fun, but that's about it. My 138/131 is lower than it was when I was younger (146). And sometimes questions really can be skewed by one's experience:
    When I was in 1st grade, I remember my cousin and I (same school) both had to take one of those achievement tests with pictures. We were in two separate classes. One question was:

    Which of the following items is most valuable? (Followed by a picture of a car, a house, a TV and a motorcycle)

    She and I were the ONLY kids in the ENTIRE grade to answer the same way (wrong): Motorcyle. The teacher could not understand why both of these kids (related), in two separate rooms taking the test, were the *only* ones to answer motorcycle! (all the other kids answered 'house').

    She called my mom, and my mom had to explain that, yes, in OUR family, motorcycles WERE valuable: My father and his brother (my uncle, my cousin's father) raced DMX Motocross. So my cousin and I (age 6) both had been 'influenced' by our home life and we answered correctly as far as 'our little world' operated........In our world, daddy's motorcycle seemed much more valuable than the stupid house! How were we to know the rest of the world didn't live, breathe and die by Husqvarna? ;-)

    Posted by Jeanne at October 7, 2004 3:26 PM

    You ask how some of the questions strike us -- this is how I feel:

    Stockings, Dress, Hat, Shoes, Purse:

    Dress seems like the right answer. All the others can be taken off without being indecent. Purse is certainly not the right answer since it is bought to match the shoes and is often bought at the same time. Stockings can be worn without anyone knowing, so it could be that. Hat isn't often worn, so it could be that.

    2 is to 4 as 4 is to:

    I would wonder if the answer was 6, 8, or 16. I would become irritated that the testmaker was too stupid to even realize this is an ambiguous question and he shouldn't have picked such "nice" numbers. I can't think of another pair of numbers that is a worse choice than 2 and 4 for this question. 16 is the first thing that came to my mind, by the way, but I would have noticed that this wasn't the only "minimal necessary relationship" for this question.

    Posted by Diana at October 24, 2004 11:44 PM

    Hi, my name is Jon and I'm a Visionary Philosopher.

    It all started when a friend asked for comments on his website. I spotted a spelling mistake and just wanting to check up, because it would be embarassing to dis him about his spelling when my own isn't too clever, I went to a dictionary website. As I had thought, he was wrong. I closed down the browser and was just about to close down the popup window that it always produces, some nonsense about an IQ test, when for some reason I found myself taking the test. I don't know what had come over me. I've used the dictionary site many times before without the slightest temptation but by the end of the first page I felt more than temptation. I felt a compulsion to continue. I was driven. Page led to page of mindless box-ticking.

    Then it told me it would give me my score. I had to put in a false name and e-mail address (I get more than enough spam) but there it was: 142 and Visionary Philosopher, just like Plato.

    By now you think my tale is one familiar to you all, and in many ways it is. I googled and started to read the blog. I couldn't stop laughing. I was home for sure. These were my people. But by the time I'd looked up, I found I'd wasted a grand total of 50 minutes. Not only had I read the blog start to finish I had followed many of the links.

    Of course, what the results don't say is that we VPs are by nature competitive. Let's face it though, most of us put our scores up, even though we know intellectually that it's meaningless. Well I don't like the idea that I wasted more time than anyone else because I arrived here last.

    The only way around this is to add to the page, extending it so that others will waste even more time than I did. (I know there's a logical flaw in this, but it will be invalidated if discussed and I will be vindicated completely).

    In case anyone's interested, the one I got wrong was the shapes with the tiny circle in them. I picked the isoscles triangle because the circle wasn't at the centre of its mass.

    A well that's the end of my story. I feel a lot better for getting all that off my chest, and now I better get back to work. They've been wondering why I spent my lunchtime sitting in a corner giggling. Don't want them to think I'm a Word Warrior or worse!

    Posted by Jon at October 28, 2004 8:05 AM

    Well, here you have my contribution, fellow VPs:

    Regarding the winkles, sprinkles and tinkles question (or something around that) it becomes easy if you use your math training (formation?!), and say:

    Sets question: if a intersects b and b intersects c, then a intersects c, (always)? The answer is no (false) for shure.

    2 is to 4 as 4 is to.... obviously this is a proportions question (again a math preconception) and you have 2/4, 4/x which is by force 8....

    And if you see that in reality many questions have more than one valid answer... then this IQ tests, although useful, are just a guide that tell you that you have received some cultural influence.....or formation (in some environments, deformation).

    And this similar results we all had, and, as somebody said before certain common characteristics like we all write similarly and take (yes, or waste) the time to read this

    On the other hand, a 100 iq is an average person (on average, people have less than 8 years of schooling; much less if you take global statistics).

    I thought there were many clasifications depending on which were your right answers and your selection within multiple correct answers. But, if there are few divisions and taken in horizontal slices...then we VPs are a huge noisy funny idle cheap croud....and I found these common virtues here, not in the test!

    Sorry, but after six months, just remembered and asked yahoo what a VP was (OK, there are corporate vps but they are few, secretive, expensive, boring, engaged and elitistic), so it took me some time to find this thread.

    VPs of the world, unite! VP vindication!

    Posted by Carlos at November 5, 2004 1:06 AM

    Hi Jon,

    I second all you say as I just did exatly as you did and feel the need to make others waste their time equally but now people will read as far as yours and I will never get to tell the world that I too am a Visionary Philopopher. But I am at the bottom of a very long page and surely no-one will read all this way. (If you are reading this - you really should get back to work) And on that note...

    Posted by Aideen at November 8, 2004 11:39 AM

    Just another 138 VP to join the crowd, brought here by Google. I have enjoyed this thread and have had a good laugh on a day when work just seems too ...........
    One little thought though. I got a worse score with emode than I did with Mensa, maybe 'googling' for free stuff, rather than going for the quick costly solution is sapping my intellect. I like to think though that working with IT end users is draining me of both intelligence and humour, or I'm just a grumpy old git loosing my marbles.

    Posted by Andrew R. at November 17, 2004 10:27 AM

    just found emode and got vp and 136. seem to have alot of company. and other girls out there? i briefly eyeballed the list and seems to be all boys.

    Posted by Jeanne at November 21, 2004 9:06 AM

    I guess I should change my name.

    It's good to come back and see more amusing entries. I don't remember how I got to the test in the first place, but I think it was probably through a dictionary site, like Jon. They've really got our number.

    Posted by Diana at November 28, 2004 9:53 PM

    I am thoroughly disappointed in all of you "VPs"...no one has questioned the validity of the weakest question.

    I scored a lowly 138 and am pissed.

    This stupid ass question gets under my skin: Wisdom is knowing what to do next; __________ is doing it.

    Yeah, yeah, virtue is the "right" answer, but I put the question to you "greg".... isn't being "wise" enough to know what to do next and then not doing it...INSANE...what kind of pathetic little mental midget puts the effort into reasoning what the appropriate course of action is and then must fall back on virtue to go through with it....nonsense. Sanity is the clear answer. I renounce my VP status for this clear transgression against common sense.

    Virture/Morality has no place in an IQ assessment.

    BTW...in the ever interesting words of Steven Wright...many of you have put your two cents in, but it is only a penny for your thoughts...you're getting ripped off to the tune of a penny. :)~

    Posted by Jason at December 5, 2004 5:32 PM

    Hey everyone! Wow, there's a barrage of us who did the same thing: took an IQ test, felt compelled to know more but not to the point of shelling out $14.50 or whatever and took the cheap way out. Google is great. Anyway, I read another person's post about the avg. college IQ being 115...and I must agree. I thought college was going to be the place where things made sense and smart people flourished! Boy, I was wrong!

    Anyway, I'm a college freshman 138 Visionary Philosopher. Jason: through my own reasoning, virtue is the act of putting wisdom & what is right/how we ought to live into physical terms. Sanity is associated with a mental state.

    Posted by Dawn at December 7, 2004 3:15 PM

    I'm in the 138 club. But IQ SHMIQ, we're only as good as our last at-bat. Also, my great grandfather was a visionary philosopher; he never worked a day in his life!

    Posted by Mike (Dr. Spok) D. at December 14, 2004 11:23 AM

    I scored 138 in the International High IQ Society Test. Can I join International MENSA?

    Posted by aNNE at December 20, 2004 6:00 PM

    I think they should up your iq points a few for not paying $14.95, then maybe all of us visionary philosophers would be upgraded to extraordinary genius.

    Posted by PJ at January 1, 2005 11:36 PM

    The question that had the shapes and the dot inside the shapes had nothing to do with the dot or how to bisect it, the correct answer must have been the circle because it was the only one in the group that didn't belong. a rectangle is a square stretched out in one direction or the other, and the isoscles triangle is a stretched version of the equilateral triangle. Any who work in graphic design probably would pick the circle also.
    anyhow, I'm laughing my head off at the amount of VPs out there, as I scored a 133 and was tempted to shell out some cash, but somehow philosophized my way out of it after having visions of my wife yelling at me for wasting money.

    Posted by p at January 1, 2005 11:53 PM

    Happy New Year my fellow VPs! I hope everyone had a good holiday and I look forward to this new year's blog.

    As pointed out above, I, too, have noticed many very badly written questions on this test and others. In a test like this, there may be different "correct" answers and the one you choose may reveal your "personality". However, if it does not have a place to make note that you were forced to choose from the various "correct" choices that you found, it is missing a big part of your personality.

    In Florida, our schoolchildren are subjected to "FCATs". They are badly written and confusing. The worst part is that often there can be more than one way to correctly answer a question and these poor kids have no real recourse. These are not personality tests, these are aptitude tests. The testmakers label the kids, the schools are "graded", and your neighborhood property value goes down. The kids feel stupid, they give up, and that leads to bad behavior, then they do not learn, and eventually they fit the label they were given, which vindicates the testmaker.

    It is just too bad a Visionary Philosopher is not running the education show down here. The "Floriduh" label isn't just for our voting practices anymore.

    Posted by Janet at January 3, 2005 8:24 AM

    Does being a "Visual Mathematician" disqualify me from this conversation? Only found my way here because I wanted to know if I gave the right answer to Q40. Looks like I did but I'm still not happy with it. Anyway, it seems like most of you folks are in the USA, is that right? I want to spend some time there (thinking of a move to a warmer climate) and I wonder if any of you have any observations. I don't like cities but I like the facilities they offer. Mountains and sea are good. If I can't have both I'll take the sea.

    Happy New Year all, even if you do throw me off the site. :)

    PS: I think "Visionary Philosopher" means "Idle Dreamer", and "Visual Mathematician" probably means "Dumb Nerd".

    Posted by Ged at January 5, 2005 9:42 AM

    Hi all 140 VP lazy stoner bum here,

    If some Wicks are Slicks and some Slicks are Snicks, then some Wicks are definitely Snicks.

    This is a common mistake called the fallacy of affirming the consequent

    1. If it is at all possible for both premises to be true, at the same time as the conclusion is false, the argument is invalid.

    2. Since the conclusion could be true OR false, the definitely part makes it false

    3. If some whales are mammals and some mammals are horses, then some whales are definitely horses.

    4. If some VP's are lazy bums and some lazy bums are illiterate, some VP's are definitely illiterate.

    Posted by nagual at January 6, 2005 4:30 PM

    I took the tickle IQ test and got a score of 128, and then I took the emode IQ test and got a score of 130. I'm in high school...and have a 3.4 GPA (4.5 being the max) and I only got a 23 on my ACT.(doesn‘t sound like scores that someone within the top 6% would receiv!!e)..I don't know what to believe...I have done some research and I pretty poses every characteristic that's used to portray the gifted..i don't know?...i think these IQ test's ,especially tickle and emode are majorly skewed!! What do you guys think? I suffered from anorexia…ADD. And low-self esteem/depression during the first three years of high school … so that could account for the bad grades, etc; BUT I don’t know I never really thought I was smart.. I always felt different…and if anything stupid….did any of you struggle in high school or with severe emotional turmoil…. I know that these are stupid signs of “giftedness” but from the looks of this website and other’s like it there are a lot of individuals with 140++++ IQS !! Which seems freakishly high!!! if you ask moi

    hahah umm yeah MAKE LOVE NOT WAR ps. did you guys tell anyone about your "high iq"?!!

    Posted by elisabitsy of course at January 6, 2005 11:26 PM

    I found this thread just as everyone else.As a result of being too frugal to part with any of my hard earned money . However I did require more information so as to stroke my fragile ego. I have noticed that while everyone denounces the validity of this test we all still give our scores !$$ Figure that out you mensa wanna be. I have also found it enlightening, how some questions that seem so obvious to some can be so puzzling to others. KEEP THE THREAD ALIVE AND POWER TO THE V.P.

    Posted by Alvin at January 31, 2005 8:36 PM

    I just took the tickle test over and deliberately gave all the wrong answers , scored 72, and apparently that qualifies me to enter into the education profession . Just as I always suspected those who make many errors are destined to teach.It may also explain why many higher IQ people do so poorly in life, given the source of their early instruction. Anyone else out there try this and if so what results did you achieve.

    Posted by Alvin at February 1, 2005 11:10 AM

    Lot of 130-140 VP's here. I wonder if we are the only ones with our own blog? I might just have to look around on google. I took this about a year ago and must admit that I was suckered into paying 14.95 and then didn't cancel automatic subscription soon enough and got bill-ked for another 19.95 for the monthly "premium" subscription. WATCH OUT!

    There is very little worthwile in the full report, except that you do get the answers.

    I tend to think this is more along the lines of a horoscope than even some semblance of a semi-valid test. It would be nice if they changed the questions more often.

    Posted by anon at April 8, 2005 12:16 AM

    The Post That Wouldn't Die: Year 2
    I commented about it last year, so I guess I should mention it again... Over 2 years after he posted it, Luke's

    Trackback from Sirsha Development Resources Blog at April 11, 2005 7:29 PM

    144 VP here.

    First of all, welcome all other VPs of the world. We all did a web search to find out if the term actually has any meaning and ended up here. Bravo. Wonder if there are other terms applied to other people with scores over 130, but since they didn't search for VP, they didn't get here?

    Two, there may be more than one "workable" answer, but not more than one right answer. The answer is always the one that makes the most logical sense. Yes, abstractly one might find other answers, but the true test of intelligence is to discard the less good in favor of the more gooderist.

    As for how trying at random gets you just below average, this is the same methodology of the SAT. The average person gets all the easy ones right, all the hard ones wrong, and narrows down the others to a choice of two or three and guesses at one. The average person is smart enough not to rule the right answer out of the middle of the road questions, so that educated guess can bring the right answer if lucky.

    In order to make it "fair" the answers are randomized. That would mean though, that by guessing, you should only get between 1/5th and 1/4th right (some have 4 choices, others 5). However, depending on how many questions are obvious, hard, and then middle, this could still be about average. If 1/4 are obvious, 1/2 middle, and 1/4 hard, then the average person will get 1/4 + >1/6 = >5/12ths right. If it is 1/4 easy, 1/4 middle, and 1/2 hard, the average person will get only 1/4 + >1/12 = >1/3 right, etc. Since this is a bell curve situation, getting 1/4 right at random might place you just slightly below average, which is as low a 1/3. Random chance might place you at 97 or 92 depending on which sequence of letters you choose. The test is too short to compensate for random luck, and unless we know the exact breakdown of hard/middle/easy and the methodology we can't be sure.

    How can anyone get lower than 95 or so then? You have to work at it! You have to be so dumb, you get some of the easy ones wrong, rule out the right answer on the middle ones, and choose the obvious wrong answer on the hard ones, and think you are getting them right. You must outsmart yourself by saying "this is a trick question, so the answer that I know is right is wrong" even though it is not a trick question. That's why the guys who try to get them all wrong get a 77 (slight retardation). You won't get lower than that, because you can read and follow directions. Which is why they say you have good verbal skills. Anyone that dumb who can still read the whole thing and follow directions must have good verbal skills. :)

    Posted by Michael Kramer at April 17, 2005 12:03 AM

    This is awesome.
    "Hi, my name is Rex."
    "Hi Rex."
    "I am a Visionary Philosopher."
    I scored 138 like many of the people i have read here and yes i paid 15 bucks. I got a kick out of all the tests. I like Google. I can't stop grinning as i write this. Everything i wanted to say has been said. Keep it going! I printed me a certifikut certifryun my genius. Never did a blog. boodeedumdeedumdumm
    Type out to all the V.P.'s out there!

    Q: If some V.P.'s are bloggers and some bloggers are bored then some people definitely need to start a new hobby.
    A) self evident
    B) stop wasting my time
    C) A is true
    D) Luke, what have you started?
    Z) false: boredom is a hobby

    "If there is one thing you and i share it is this:

    Posted by r.a.w. at April 24, 2005 7:06 AM

    Hehehe yet another "Visionary Philosopher" with a score of 140 from the Trickle Classic IQ test who found this hilarious and enlightening thread after wisely Googling that title :-). But at least for me the result matched almost exactly a very serious IQ test I took 15 years ago, directly from Dr. Dorothy Sisk at the Gifted Education Department of the University of South Florida. I got 139 at that time. That's why I initially raised and eyebrow at the result of what appeared to be a very simple test and decided to look more into it...

    Posted by Blue Dempsey at May 8, 2005 4:19 AM

    hey i'm 13 and I don't think these are accurate IQ tests because the one that i took gave me a 144/visual philosopher score and the test only took me about 7 minutes. and i don't think thats right for a 7th grader. they should have different questions because the iq test should no be about aquired knowledge but about the way you can expand your mind.........and understand different concepts.

    Posted by Nobody you know at May 22, 2005 11:26 PM

    Yep, I did the same and landed here - my brother is an Insightful Linguist and has googled that one. 138 VP. though I struggled with the maths, I must have got them right.

    Way to go VPs.

    BTW the country was Germany - not England.

    kind regards all.

    Posted by Val at May 23, 2005 7:56 PM

    Pre-ision Processor Professor
    I took the test also and realized that it was true.
    two weeks later i am a Pre-college Precision Processor Professor.
    I have logic understanding of the math and the arts. How could they be wrong. You just got to take the test serious to see what you can or will become.
    Pre-Professor and genuis,
    Someone Proud to take the test
    Are you happy to take that test.

    Posted by greg at May 31, 2005 11:51 PM

    ha ha ha.

    i got visionary P last year. so i used to be in the gang.

    This year i got Complex Intellectual on 147

    was bored, just wanted to say that i reckon this may be the "next" level above vp. i must be getting smarter.

    although maybe they just upgraded the scam... i mean test. now vp is a CI. ???
    also i might add that it seems perhaps the questions have changed.
    this may be the last vp post i look up, farewell, am off the join CI.

    this is hillarious, i used google too.

    Posted by jason at June 8, 2005 12:30 PM

    IQ tests always measure far more than just IQ, despite the very best efforts of the testers. Also IQ is not necessarily always a fixed constant. Just try coping with CFIDS for a few years. Thanks to long term doxycycline, vitamins and prayer, I am now scoring back up in the 140's. The one thing that I am the very best at, Visual-Spatial relationships, is the one very thing that suffered the most from the CFS brain drain. Nice of these here folks to provide a free IQ test to help me keep track of the progress of my recovery.

    Some other things that IQ tests do indeed measure. Your ability to take tests, for one. Your realization that not every right answer is always right. So it is really more dependant upon your ability to guess what is right to the test writer. Cultural factors such as world view also figure in. As in Virtue versus so called Sanity, etc. All tests should have some kind of a self-repairing challenge mechanism built in. To be utilized by those who are smarter than those who wrote the test. If not, then the test itself tends to adversely affect that which it claims to measure, by dumbing-down those who will then give the right wrong answer to "score" better. As in the Heisenberg uncertainty principle applied to testing metrology.

    By the way, it took me over half of my life to realize that I was not supposed to fit in. This realization alone has since made my life far, far, more enjoyable. Peer pressure is a psycho-social forcing function. Those who are insecure, tend to try to take it out on others. By trying to make others feel insecure, if they do not want to go along with the crowd. So they apply this kind of pressure, to help provide themselves with an ego boost, thus further self-deceiving themselves into thinking that they are "all that". When they have just proved that they really aren't, by revealing their own insecurity in attempting to use peer pressure. It's a really great mass marketing technique.

    The other big problem with this kind of vanilla IQ test optimized homogeneous mob mentality, is that the majority is almost invariably wrong. In this is found a large part of why pure democracies inevitably fail. The majority just happens to be a little bit better at fitting in. i.e. Right or wrong, I will agree with you. So that you won't think that I am stupid, because your opinion of me is more important than my own self-actualization. For help in understanding all this stuff about conflicting world views and psycho-social forcing functions read; Asimov's Foundation Series, including the three volumes added posthumously by the Killer B's. Another good one is J.R.R. Tolkien's Lord of the Rings trilogy. The New Testament is also highly enlightening. Read the words there in red, of the one son of man who single-handedly turned the whole world upside down. He passed the test. Hey, even if He is just a curse word to you, that just means that He still affects your world view almost 2000 years later. Google on BioPsyOps for more on that. For peer pressure or fear of testing failure, triggering anxiety attacks, try St. Johns Wort. The antiviral effects of this herb help cancel out virally induced neurotransmitter imbalances that result in inappropriate fight or flight responses.

    OK, now that I have done with giving myself a feeling of personal accomplishment, in my vain attempts to prove to this little corner of the world wide web that I really am a smart Aleck...

    So how do we take a bunch of fairly smart, creative and mostly frugal folks and accomplish something useful, like mutually improve our lot in life? Any suggestions? This whole go get a job thing, is so passe. There has to be an easier way, for all of us lazy folks, who usually work much harder than most, in our attempts at the slacking lifestyle. Hey, I know, we could start a web affiliate marketing campaign for silly tests and hope a few suckers will cough up a buck a page for fifteen pages of some reassuring psycho-babble. I know, it's cheaper than therapy. No, but really, any other ideas? I'm not trying to be cynical, just realistic. So I really am open to suggestion.


    Posted by steve_frahm at June 14, 2005 12:34 AM

    Well, so much to tell about...
    I've taked that test on www.tickle.com on the "Classic IQ Test" section and i scored 138 with a VP qualification. I think that people don't need such tests to establish a self-estim/respect, simply because they're not concise and do not take in consideration many aspects of the tested person environment; such as origine, first language, religion, political situation of his/her country... ect. I'm Moroccan man, aged 22, student on computer engeneering. Here in morocco we speak an arabic dialect (far strange to other arabs). The 2nd language is french, english is the 3rd.
    It was funny to discover that i'm a visionary philosopher ^^ but i far doubt of that. Many of my high school professors qualify me as being a genius, others consider me as a sort of "bidouilleur" (frensh), some one who rely on tricks to accomplish his tasks.
    Well, i'm not that successful on my life. And my financial situation needs really to be improved... I lost the girl i love because of a bad choice i've taken. My "high score" on IQ tests can be explained by the diciplines i'm interrested on, such as electronics, radio, programming, mathematics, music... ect. I know i need a real specialist to help me know my real potential. Our moroccan culture tends to favorise isolation, timidity and many other dangerous social deasies. The way things may appear simple scares me. It may be a sign i've a wrong view to the world (I know it's relative, but since there are dumb people, any one must care about being one of them).
    This IQ test has just make me ask some questions i attempted to ignore for long.

    Good ideas never go away :-)

    Posted by Youssef Touil at June 18, 2005 1:10 AM

    The only valid test are those taken under timed supervision. If you get a score above 126 on the high iq society test, lets say for instance 140 it is likely that you may get a score as low as 110 on the standardised timed test. A lot of people with low esteem put stock into these high scores, and they refuse to see that anyone who spends some time, lets say 3 hours on these tests can score as high as 140. I have come across students who argue amongst themselves concerning the validity of the scores, those who get 130 and above begin to feel that they posses high intelligence but when they take the real test their scores drop dramatically.

    Posted by professor Clarence Tatt at June 20, 2005 6:05 PM

    No getting a score of 130 on TICKLE IQ, does not put you in the highly intelligent, if you were highly intelligent you would know that this simply suggests that you managed to answer the right questions relative to what someone who was just messing around would get. Some people take the Ultimate Iq test; get a score of about 115, then take it again and get 120; sometimes even 140, there excuse been that they did not draw the shapes the first time. This should already show that this is not a valid test, and it is only smart people who notice this. you can however have an idea of what your real score is by taking the 12 minute high iq test. But please only take it once. And if you want an official score take a real timed test, the chances are that it will fall under the same range, with any on-line timed test Don't be discouraged if you don't finish it on time; it is mostly geniuses that do so

    Posted by Samantha Banks official test setter at June 20, 2005 6:26 PM

    wow. i think this is the most random page i have ever seen. i found it on google while looking up "visionary philosopher"... which seems to be the majority of the results of everyone here. i took more then one IQ Test, and my IQ has always ended up between 117 and 147...except once i got 165, which i don't believe to be true, the only possibility being that i completed in below the thought time frame. the question i've read the most on this page is the John likes 400 but not 300........ and so on. i'd like to agree with the 2*2*100, 1*1*100, because in every different test i've taken, the 3 choice has always been different, and the only pattern being so.... ex: 6*6*100 (3600 but not 3700). now just to make a point, instead of losing all your time complaining about this online IQ tests, don't take them, unless you find them amusing, or else take a real one, within a time frame and tested by geniuses. few of these tests are real, no matter what anyone will say, and stop wrenching your shoulder to pat yourself on the back, because these test will bring you NOTHING in life. no matter your answers, by hacking the Tickle Network Server (which, by the way, was easier to hack then my brother's hotmail), i found out that the lowest possibility of IQ on those tests, in 69, at the time, and lowers when higher IQs are found, or elevates when lower IQs take the majority.
    you should all be able to do this if you don't believe, just figure out the network server code, which would be easier to do on a Macintosh, since hidden files show.
    hope you enjoy trying to hack servers

    i hope you'll all find your real IQs eventually, my mother made me take a real one, my Iq only being 143, instead of 165(hahaha).

    just so you know........ i'm only 13

    Posted by Danai at June 28, 2005 1:10 PM

    well...just took both the tickle and emode thingy tests...i'm 14....um, like more then half the ppl here, i got 138...kinda ironic eh? my friend just posted a really long thing under my name...and just so u know, none of it is true....it's posted under Danai so u guys can just ignore it....shes actually really stupid....and that just merited me a punch....but i think this thing is cool, all these VPs like wow man! well anyone wanna contact me swim_danai6_ringette@hotmail.com um, great reading all these posts....got this off google searching vp....my dad wouldn't get me his credit card to read it. not that i'd blow 14.99 american to read it! haha! if anyone needs the ink, the one i found is http://www.mauraandterry.com/moggie/tests/iq/iq.htm dunno if it'll still work, i got it off google and half the page doesn;t work well...but, well, u can try it, maybe it'll be better for u

    Posted by sweet6swimmer at June 28, 2005 1:23 PM

    I got a 133. I am a Visual mathematician... So the scores range on this test does not make you automatically a VP if you get a 133... I am soooooooo sad. Not sure I understand how they get their results but... Also I had one answer that I had checked as one answer, but after getting the exemple where I went wrong (FYI I did not purchase the full report), somehow what I had anwered did not compute the same way I had anwered (so my score should have been higher?!?). This has been very interesting reading and quite entertaining. I got here not by searching for VP, but by looking to see how my score would compare to other IQ test score... My son has an IQ in the 140 (test done by an Applied Learning Center) and wanted to make him take the test to compare my score to his. Just to help me put him in his place when he is being a smart a**. I have now spent way too much time on this website (and other similar website) and I have managed to stay at my work for an extra 4 hours. Going home and signing off. A regular mom.

    Posted by xena at August 12, 2005 9:17 PM


    same story here


    so anyone wanna plan a revolt?

    Posted by Mila at August 18, 2005 9:07 PM

    that first one got me . i had some trouble. i think i got it now .

    Posted by kylee at September 30, 2005 11:51 PM

    If this is true,
    >Visionary: 1. Having the nature of fantasies or dreams; illusory.
    >Philosopher: 3. A person who is calm and rational under any circumstances.

    then a combination of marijuana and valumes a will make us a visionary philosopher. But I have yet to decide if valumes, marijuana, and visionary philosophers are good or bad...

    I believe the term "visionary philosopher" was made along with the test.

    Posted by Jash Nelson at October 3, 2005 2:10 AM

    age:15 emode iq: 144

    the questions presented by emodes iq test are extremely simple, an 8 year old could get them all right (would just take him longer). and how come almost every person is a visionary philosopher? its simply a ploy to get dumb people to think they are clever and make them buy a report.

    anyone here done a sparknotes.com (something like that) iq test? i got 189!

    Posted by oli at October 3, 2005 3:02 AM

    Well i was on lots of marijuana when i took the test so that may explain somthing.

    Having taken other IQ tests i was already aware that my iq was 136 (having done a mensa timed test) but was wondering about the whole visionary philosopher schpiel which led me here...

    I think that this whole thing has alot to do with enjoying being told that we're clever - nothing wrong with that, we do live in a world that is totally image orientated so having somthing quasi official tell us that our brains are just great thankyou very much is very satisfying and probably just confirms what we all secretly thought about ourselves anyway.

    Hurrah for us, three cheers for everyone.

    Yes i am illuminated.

    Eldon trent

    Posted by Eldon Trent at October 16, 2005 2:50 AM

    My resutls were a bit different. I scored 857, and my intellectual type is "Lord of Creation", like Vishnu or Odin. Occupations I'd be good at include:
    *Creating new dimensions of existence
    *Creating complex universes from simple, yet elegant laws
    *Interstellar sexual barbeque host
    *Making inhabitable worlds
    However, it also gave me this warning:
    So if you didn't score as high as you thought you should, and maybe you feel that life in general is, as the saying goes, "nasty, brutish, and short"...um, sorry about that, my bad. See, I was hosting this barbeque and I got kinda drunk, then someone started passing around some DNA, and one thing led to another. I am proud of the horses, however--you have to admit they're pretty cool. Although I ended up having to delete the horn from their foreheads, as the stallions kept poking each other's eyes out during mating season. That version went extinct pretty quickly. Anyway, I apologize for the inconvenience, and don't stress out over this crappy world--it'll all be over soon.

    Posted by Ed Cosgrove at October 19, 2005 10:00 AM

    Just a quick comment regarding timed tests...

    Someone way above mentioned that timed IQ tests were more valid, I'd like to point out that this isn't true. Tests like the Mensa test (a timed test with common puzzle, spatial, sequence and anology questions) work well to test your speed of thought, granted you must be depth to this timed thinking however a test like the Mega test other extremely difficulty IQ tests require the ability to think multi-dimensionally and to consider multiple issues at one time, they have no time limit but require and enormous amount of concentration and clarity of thought...

    In the early 80's I took the Mensa test and scored 138, but when I took the "The Worlds Hardest IQ Test" (TWHIQT) (a precursor to the Mega test, published in Omni) I scored 151, later an S&B IQ test confirmed the 151. It was noted that if you could score 2 or 3 correct answers to TWHIQT your IQ was above 132, which was teh rating for genius at the time.

    My point is, there is more than one way to solve most problems, some require time and depth of thought, not just time. Also, once you understand the pattern to common IQ test questions you can up your score by at least 10 points and often 20 or more... Try doing that on the Mega! (it won't happen!) If you like a true challenge give the Mega test a try but be prepared to spend a LOT of time on it.

    Posted by Gary at November 4, 2005 7:32 PM

    I scored 135 on the Tickle I.Q... think I got 2 or 3 wrong based on the above comments... well into the highly respected "Visionary Philosopher" class. However, I scored a 69 on the E.Q. (emotional quotient) test because most days I pee myself and forget to eat or drink. But I like games... I play with myself! Uhhh, huhuh...

    Posted by at January 4, 2006 3:06 PM

    Hey 138 vp's - I just challenged a 135 vp thread to softball or scrabble - so if you see a bunch of 135's *giggle* with genuis envy lurking about, don't scare them away with your mighty intellect till all the money been collected! (they think it's unreasonable that they all can be so smart from 131-135) .. Aint that cute?

    Posted by Website at January 9, 2006 7:19 PM

    I don't know if anyone here has no life (like me) and actually read this entire blog, but I am dying laughing over here. One, I would like to say yes it is very, very scary how we do have drive on the same roads with those who scored below 100 on this test; and secondly, I would also like to start a revolt ;D.

    Posted by Summer at January 30, 2006 8:40 PM

    this is hilarious!!
    so many people did this VP thing
    it was definitely a change from my regular sudoku solving evening

    Posted by at February 2, 2006 12:59 AM

    What a hoot!

    Like all you other 138/VP's, I googled my way here trying to save my $$$$ but get the answers anyway.

    Definitely cause for a club. I mean, who else would put up with us!!!!!

    Posted by meb110 at February 2, 2006 9:12 AM

    Forrest Gump was a visionary philosopher. "Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what your going to get".

    Posted by John at February 2, 2006 10:37 AM

    Can someone enlighten me with the cars travelling?
    The one which says that they start in opposite directions,
    travelling 6 miles each and then both turn left and then
    go for another 8 miles. The question is "how far are
    they apart?"

    I asume that turning left means a left turn from the
    cars point of view. So this makes a travelling route
    which looks like this:


    In a .pdf I found on the internet, someone actualy
    paid for it, the right answer is stated to be 20.
    i came up with the same answer however the question is
    incompleet . at the point of turn what was the degree
    of turn i assumed it 45 but could be 35 in the country
    it is a b.s question anyone who missed it its cool
    because it is incompleet

    Posted by marc at February 7, 2006 7:50 AM

    I assume your route is correct. The each travel in opposite directions for 6 miles. Then they each turn left (this must, of course, be a 90 degree angle) and go an additional 8 miles.

    How far apart are they?

    20 miles. Each is exactly 10 miles from the starting point.

    Each car travels on the two long side of a right triangle, so the distance from the starting point can be found using the Pathagorean theorem. H = sqrt (6^2 + 8^2) = 10

    Posted by jh at February 22, 2006 1:04 PM

    lol im a vp i got 138 i got 130 on the uk national iq test which was timed. i am about as phi;osophical as a sausage!

    Posted by at February 24, 2006 1:58 PM

    Yet another V.P., leaving their graffiti on this page for those of us too tight / sensible to pay a small fortune for a automatically generated report.

    BTW has anyone seen the sponser for this web thread? Does web.tickle.com ring a few bells? Do you reckon that the posts really trashing their website get edited out? Not too many long winded rants seem to have been posted here ...

    Posted by Zoe at March 6, 2006 6:26 PM

    sponsor? This is my personal weblog and just about the only posts I edit out are blog-spam.

    If you feel justified to trash tickle for some reason, go right ahead.

    Posted by Luke Hutteman at March 8, 2006 6:57 PM

    Is Ed Cosgrove who scored 857 still out there? Because I think he sounds cute.

    Posted by carolina at March 22, 2006 2:47 PM

    I got 133 on the tickle I.Q test, I'm 14 , why does it ask for hotmail adress and password? No way am I putting my password in on some strange site...Is it safe or just another scam?

    Posted by Carl at March 25, 2006 5:33 PM

    hey all u people seem intellergent i really dont no how i got 137 on the tickle IQ test im 15 and i have honestly not got much of a brain ! i wanted to find out what a visionary philosopher was and it google sent me here and i still dont no what one is so can some one please tell me ?? and they ask for your password so they can send the quiz to your contacts

    Posted by sammi at March 27, 2006 9:47 AM

    This is hilarious. I'm glad I googled visionary philosopher. I landed a 140 on tickle. So far this has been a lot of fun wasting away the evening. I had nothing better to do and really enjoyed all the posts. The car question would be easy for any construction worker. I grew up in a construction family. We all knew to get a right angel you followed the 3-4-5 rule. I'm considered an intellectual by most of my friends and I can tell you I fell back on the 3-4-5 rule to answer that question. I doubled the 3-4-5 rule for each car and added them together. Thanks everyone for posting here. It has been fun.

    Posted by totalmax at April 11, 2006 11:12 PM

    hi im stuck help!!! i got 111 on tickles iq test but i dnt know if this is good im 14 what do u think

    Posted by Catriona Thompson at April 15, 2006 4:09 PM

    You think it's a smart idea to kill time doing online IQ tests and then "BOOM". You're a genius all of a sudden. 137 Visioner Philospher. Huh? Good thing I googled and found you guys with the same answer. Damn! How many guys do you think pay them to have their full reports? Jesus Khriste. I liked the GENIUS feeling though - I must admit. Thanks but No Thanks, I know what Lord O Mighty blessed me with, and it wasn't a God Damn 2 percentile brain. Well I enjoyed reading all of your comments - GOOD LUCK SUCKERS

    Posted by Will at April 17, 2006 1:07 AM

    i took the tickle one and apparently i have an IQ of 122...
    a hundred and twenty *ÂŁ$%ing two?? if i have an IQ of 122 why am i sitting online at half 3 in the morning taking IQ tests??

    Posted by caleb at April 20, 2006 10:27 PM


    Yet another visioanry philosopher reporting for duty :)

    Found y'all by googling v.p......

    Posted by Alan Patrick at May 4, 2006 6:09 PM

    Google brought me here too because am a revolutionary visionary who should be philosophizing on some deep shit. But this one didn't sit well with this deep philosopher;

    In a race from point X to point Y and back, Jack averages 30 miles per hour to point Y and 10 miles per hour back to point X. Sandy averages 20 miles per hour in both directions. Between Jack and Sandy, who finished first?
    They tie
    Impossible to tell

    They say the correct answer is SANDY won, but the average speed of both was 20! So they must've tied and since the option was there that should've been the correct answer. Or is there something I don't get here? :)

    Besides Sandy is girl :)

    Posted by RedMeat at May 6, 2006 6:28 PM

    I have to agree with an earlier post... the answer to #, as posted in this worthless document:
    is not correct...

    'If some Wicks are Slicks and some Slicks are Snicks, then some Wicks are definitely Snicks.

    Answer: False
    The statement is false because while some Wicks might be Slicks, there is no conclusive proof that any of them might be Snicks

    But what if some Wicks are Snicks? This was not definitely excluded so the statement could be "true" or "false" so the correct answer to the question would be "neither" which was an option. Absence of evidence of truth doth not mean a statement is false. If it does, someone better tell the Pope!'

    Posted by Matt at November 6, 2003 01:08 AM

    thank you Matt, I boggled over that one for a while, and I answered neither. (147 Visionary Philosopher *snort*)

    Posted by Charles Hanks at May 7, 2006 9:14 PM

    Errp, typo, I scored 143, I think I said 147 in my previous post. Also, I believe my roommate has convinced me that the answer to the 'Wicks' question is actually false due to the word 'definitely'. (Sorry 'Matt at November 6, 2003 01:08 AM' *shrug* It's still a bunk test in my opinion.

    Posted by Charles Hanks at May 7, 2006 10:22 PM

    hahaha, geez we are a lot of Visionary Philosophers out there.
    Should we change the world or simply abreviate it to VP?

    Posted by at May 9, 2006 2:09 PM

    Yes, I'm yet another 'VP' with a score of 136 who found this blog through google! Is this the world's longest-running thread?

    Posted by Paddington at May 17, 2006 10:45 AM

    148/VP. Not sure why; maybe because I took the test so fast? Under 5 minutes, tops.

    Posted by Gandalf the White at June 8, 2006 9:09 PM

    Amazing that this thread is still going on for over three years now. I just now found it for the first time. I just took the IQ test that was advertised on the top of my yahoo e-mail account. And I, too, was a Visionary Philosopher. And of course, I immediately did a Google on the term since I wanted to know more about what it meant without paying the 14.95 to find out more. And I found you all. I guess as long as that particular IQ test is still being advertised on the web, people will still keep taking the test, and people like us will still end up doing the Google search for the VP term. And people will still keep ending up here. So, this thread will last as long as the IQ test lasts. I'll check back next year and see if this thread is still alive.

    Posted by Barbara W. at June 11, 2006 6:06 PM

    I just found this thread exactly the same way you all did. Amazing that this thing is still going on after more than three years. I'll check back next year to see if it is still alive.

    Posted by Barbara W. at June 11, 2006 6:10 PM

    VP's. Are we all online in the wee hours of the morning? What are we avoiding in our lives by distracting ourselves by pondering all of this.

    Re: Posted by Kelly at December 13, 2003 10:10 PM - My first laugh in ages. Totally relate to the introspective yet nonproductive tag. I'm very lost in life and directionless careerwise. Feel capable and interested in FAR TOO MANY THINGS to be able to choose a direction, so I find myself trying to find the "meaning of life" to help guide me to doing something of value. And so I do nothing for fear of choosing the wrong path.

    Great huh? Anyone else indecisive, easily distracted (through curiosity), hungry for knowledge, obsessed with recording life and take forever buying things because just when do you stop comparison shopping and do the deal?

    Posted by Charli at June 13, 2006 11:44 AM

    I'm a "VM 136", and folks...we all got scammed. But it's hilarious reading some of the comments.
    Glad I didn't pay for any of this stuff.

    But, seriously...

    I think the best way to find out your IQ score w/o going to a psychologist is to take the
    GRE and find some conversion chart. Some can be found on the web. From my understanding,
    that gives you a pretty good estimate of your IQ plus if you want to go to grad school,
    that's one less thing to worry about!

    Anyway, why is it on these web tests everyone gets in the "genius" range anyway? Somebody
    has to fill the other end of the bell curve!


    - PMF

    Posted by pmf at July 1, 2006 7:30 PM


    Posted by LYNN ROBERT STEVENS at July 7, 2006 3:28 AM

    Wow. I'm not sure HOW I found this link (especially since in the Emode quiz, I ended up a "Facts Curator" at 138 as opposed to a "Visionary Philospher"), but I am definitely impressed that this is still going. I am a little sad though that my IQ when I was 5 years old (more than 20 years ago) was higher than it is (apparently) now.

    By the way--I agree that the answer on the Wicks/Slicks/Snicks question IS false--thanks to the word "definitely". And I don't even think I answered that one correctly--I guess that's what happens when you're not paying careful attention to a joke of an IQ test.

    Posted by Melissa at July 16, 2006 9:11 PM

    I scored 131 and was deemed a "visionary mathemetician". That's when I knew the test was BS. I quit doing math after my "C+" in 11th grade intermediate algebra. This is how to figure out your own intelligence level without taking a test:
    1. Do people go to you for answers on general knowledge?
    2. Could you get good grades in high school without studying much?
    3. Are you challenged by mistakes...do they teach you and do you usually avoid repeating the same mistakes?
    4. Do you feel you have the ability to easily learn the higher sciences and arts?

    Gauge your "score" by how many answers you would say "definitely yes" instead of "maybe" or "no".

    But I have a more important question and I really wish other people would weigh in on this: Has this society come to equate intelligence with intrinsic human value? Has the value of KNOWING overridden the value of BEING? Don't answer too fast. I suspect we would all answer that a good heart is more valuable than a strong mind, but do we really believe that? And how can we envision a society where human equality and democracy really mean something when jobs for relatively unintelligent people are for the most part dehumanizing, underpaid, abusive, mind-deadening and shrinking in availibitity....and the high IQ jobs are usually the opposite on all counts? Who can keep from having their perspective poisoned by this? To the extent that high IQ people feel smug and superior, how can low (or lower) IQ people POSSIBLY feel ok about themselves? Do bright people have a corner on self-esteem...because theirs is more VALID? How will our hideous social problems (poverty, violence, alienation, wasted talent, mental illness, etc.) be adequately approached without knowing what low IQ people are supposed to do with the very fact of their existence in this society...relative to their luckier cousins?
    I have been agonizing over these questions for a very long time, and since I accidentally happened upon this discussion (after googling the phrase "IQ 131") I decided here was the place to look for some thoughts. I hope I won't be sorry I asked!

    Posted by Beets at July 22, 2006 8:38 PM

    Ha! All VPs out there, to be given the status of VPs, I can't believe how some of you were suckered in to buy the report! Sheesh! I just scored a 127, and I managed to get the full report for free! Smart enough to figure out how I got it? ;p
    Here's to all the "Insightful Linguists" out there!

    Posted by joey m. at July 28, 2006 1:25 AM

    So I just yanked a quickie 140 off the Tickle thing, was amused to find this thread, pleased to see we VP's aren't tortuously daydreaming all by our lonesomes, and thought I'd throw an additional answer-protest into the mix:

    29. It is easier to _______________ than to offer a helping hand.

    The "correct" answer was "Lay down," but I opted for "Point the finger." I get how "lay down" works in that sentence, but "point the finger" is a better answer (regardless of which finger you're pointing with). Why? Because language matters.

    The contrast between a pointing finger and a helping hand is far more appealing, both figuratively (finger and hand) and literally (hurting / helping), than between someone laying down or offering a hand. I don't know if this statement is a known expression (some of the other fill-in-the-blanks were familiar to me, which points to other potential biases in the test), but it certainly isn't a good one.

    Lay down? Maybe it's easier to lay down than get me another beer, but c'mon. Besides, laying down is passive, or neutral, while offering a helping hand is proactive, or positive. Wouldn't a better contrast be a negative opening clause, like pointing the finger?

    Sure, by that reasoning "Shout an insult" also works, which is why I began by saying that language matters. If you really break the statement down, all of the answers work reasonably well (I happen to think "Sing praises" offers an entirely original and perhaps more interesting meaning to the statement). Okay, maybe "Raise a flag" fails because of the many unaddressed particulars (how big is the flag? how tall is the pole? what kind of helping hand are we talking about - passing the salt?), but then again, what if we're laying down on broken glass, or a bed of nails?

    C'mon VPs, I'm kidding. But seriously, it's easier to lay down than to do almost anything else imaginable, which is the principle failure of this statement. The specificity of pointing a finger, both in its physical gesticulation and symbolic meaning simply crushes the general inanity of laying down. Because language matters.

    Silly test anyway. Wisdom is knowing what to do next; Virtue is cool too.

    Posted by Diogenes at August 13, 2006 9:40 PM

    Oh, and to the guy up near the top of these comments who thinks the everything should be decided by IQ scores (hiring, firing, whatever): relax dude, take a long walk, and think about counseling. Logic has absolutely nothing to do with motivation - you could be the smartest guy in the world, but that gives no indication of your values. Just look at some of the, dare I say, brilliant minds who devoted their lives to the Nazi cause less than a century ago (BTW, the United States owes a good part of its successful lunar program to Nazi missile scientists who were quickly and very quietly "Americanized" at the end of WWII). Knowing which number comes next in a sequence, let alone how far John is from his little sister Judy, who happens to be two-thirds his height (turns out her favorite color is mauve), has nothing to do with heart, soul, values, emotional issues, motivation, or even commitment or diligence.

    One's ability to infer and deduce doesn't always lead to the "best" answers, or even the "right" ones. After all, correct answers completely depend on correct information, and I'm not so sure that IQ scores alone tell enough of the story of anyone's abilities, or weaknesses...

    Posted by Diogenes at August 13, 2006 9:59 PM

    I just did the Tickle test, and because I scored so "high", I got my report for free from their advertisers.


    Posted by Verburgh at August 14, 2006 3:54 PM

    I, too, am a VP, with a score of 136 at 11 o'clock at night with a toddler who has decided she doesn't have to sleep anymore. I love this blog, 3 years and going strong.
    I wanted to answer RedMeat's question from May about the race between Sandy and Jack. Yes, it would seem that the average speed is the same, but it doesn't work like that. Say the race is 60 miles long (I know that's a long way, but the math is way easier with 60 miles! And I hate math). Jack gets to point y in 2 hrs (30mph) but it takes 6 hrs to get back to x (10mph). That's 8 hours total. Sandy takes 3 hrs each way (20mph). That's only 6 hours. Which means Sandy not only wins but has plenty of time to have a celebratory beer (or 10) before Jack gets there!
    I am going to try, yet again, to get my child to sleep. y'all have fun!!

    Posted by Maggie at August 28, 2006 11:05 PM

    This true?

    Descriptive Classifications of Intelligence Quotients

    IQ Description % of Population

    130+ Very superior 2.2%

    120-129 Superior 6.7%

    110-119 High average 16.1%

    90-109 Average 50%

    80-89 Low average 16.1%

    70-79 Borderline 6.7%

    Below 70 Extremely low 2.2%

    Posted by Sue at October 1, 2006 4:54 AM

    Well, hello folks! I too am a Visionary Philosopher with an IQ of 138.

    I too googled "visionary philospher".

    I had taken an online IQ test several years ago. That particular test was timed and I received a score of 139. So when I got news of my 138 score I felt it was fairly legit.

    My smartest choice, though, was not shelling out the 15 bucks.

    Glad to be part of the club guys :)

    Posted by Gus at October 13, 2006 3:07 PM

    I took the Tickle Test last evening and got a score of 133. This is precisely the score I got in 1978 (almost 30 years ago when I was 23) in graduate school taking a Master's degree in education during a course on Intelligence Testing where we were all administered the Stanford Binet - that is the test where I was scored as having an IQ of 133. I always thought on-line intelligence tests were a joke - not any more.

    I only wish that, after almost 30 years of working at the professional level and in living a challenging life, my IQ score would have improved!! But it has remained exactly the same.

    Posted by bibi pena at November 25, 2006 12:29 PM

    Checked email, saw advert and one thing just led to another. Scoffed at the result, bulked at penalty payment, Google! But the posts seem either very smart or vaguely smart and funnier than average - so that makes time wasting ok. I like the things that Carlos and Diogenes said. But cheating with a pen and paper and repeat takes on a FAKE IQ test? Really! Do the real thing you cowards. I’m shocked and appalled. But you prefer fantasy than reality right? Who doesn’t?

    Purely on the basis of such a test, I was singled out from my mates as being in the “will probably gain alienating and mindless employment" box. Now I’ve been put in the “just short of a genius” box, well isn’t that just wonderful – something at last to validate my existence. I’m just thrilled. I am no longer deprived of that artificial, smug, false sense of superiority and worth that I’ve craved or so long. Or is it that Tickle is an American site and highly intelligent Americans are the equivalent to slow Brits? Nah

    I conveniently prefer to think that such tests are deeply flawed (let me count the ways). I havn't taken an IQ test since - and don't intend to. The result is probably more to do with education and culture. I'm not sure what good it is doing. Except perhaps to pick out the real genius – intelligence that money or education can't buy. Isn’t it amazing that there are so many geniuses about here?

    I am thinking that this has more to do with personality or inclination, cognitive style – compulsively curious, prone to being distracted from remunerative occupation. Someone who gets their kicks from being led up blind alleys in pursuit of something more meaningful. Are there many amateur or even professional philosophers here? Guess what - this is all there is. The truth is not out there. But if you find it, I bow down in awe and respect - be so kind as to post the link.

    Basically I’m experiencing an overwhelming and profound sense of indifference. I might go and try something constructive - like study philosophy. I’m grateful for a bit of a laugh. Cheers.

    Jacqualine Clouseau CI

    Posted by Jacqualine at December 20, 2006 10:53 AM

    i just took the tickle test and scored 133. the same score i recieved when i was 16 and graduated high school i am now 26 and own myown business with no college edu. i guess i made it alright. i never gave much thought to iq tests and just took it for fun. nice site. enjoyed reading everyone remarks..

    Posted by lucia at January 8, 2007 3:01 PM

    Hi, I took the Tickle test and got 138, although I should add that I had taken it
    several years ago and so I was obvioulsy at a bit of an advantage, forget what I got the first time
    but obviouly less.
    The question which really through me was the 'john likes' numbers eg 100 not 99, 400 not 300, 3600 not 3700
    with 900 1000 1100 and 1200 as options.
    This comes early in the test and it really threw me because I knew I 'should know' the answer and that it was
    'staring me in the face', I guessed the right answer (for the wrong reason!!) which is 900 (all square numbers)
    but it really pissed me off for the rest of the test, as subconsiously my brain was still trying to work it out!
    (and I knew it was!).Another question I got wrong (well didn't know the reason for the right answer given I guessed corectly)initally was the :-

    In a race from point X to point Y and back, Jack averages 30 miles per hour to point Y and 10 miles per hour back to point X. Sandy averages 20 miles per hour in both directions. Between Jack and Sandy, who finished first?

    I just could not think clearly at the time but when I went back to it in a clearer frame of mind I figured it was sandy
    fairly easilly.

    A question which seems to have puzzled some was:-

    Which one of these five things is least like the other four?

    I figure this is grape because all the others have stones in them (I know I am right because eventually I got all 40 right=IQ 140? Yes? I don't believe you can get higher than 140 on this test.

    Another question I would debate is:-

    Wisdom is knowing what to do next; __________ is doing it.

    I believe the answer is virtue however I prefer happiness (which is wrong in this test).
    Virtue is *trying* to do it, you might try and fail but morally that is still correct.
    Happiness fits because you would be happy if you did it, one presumes, or at least happier?
    This is slightly flawed answers as you might just be a miserable bastard anyway whether you succeeded or not,
    however the virtue is also a flawed answer because you might attempt to do it and fail, thus not doing it
    under this condition could be considered virtueous?

    So you could say the test compilers were virteeous in trying to produce a agod IQ test but I think they would have been
    happier if they had succeeded!!! :O)

    The swines!!

    A couple of other points IQ tests can I believe have different scales so the 'max' on one might be 140 but 160 on another.

    I scored 146 on one once but I think 140 is the max on the tickle IQ test? I also scored 132 on one after 2 pints :O))

    Finally IQ has little or no value in the world of work!! Ever seem a job asking for a high IQ? Never!!!

    You don't see many people with high IQ's driving around in Rolls Royces or living in mansions, but then who would want too?
    People with high IQ's often to not value the materialistic things so much, they have higher ideals often.

    Posted by breno at January 12, 2007 9:24 PM

    I am only 15 years old and I, too, got "visionary philosopher." My IQ is apparently 133.
    I took the test for a second take and came up with 140 (definately not accurate).
    These scores were from the tickle version.

    Does anyone know of any DECENT, free, online IQ tests? Maybe I will have to wait until I can take a real one.

    Sure, I'm smart but that test was ridiculous.

    Posted by ABCDEF at January 27, 2007 3:14 AM

    Right, hi, we all got here via Google - but did anyone look any further down the list of results?

    Not too far and whoah, Google has a cached copy of the IQ results page showing that it (the Google search engine spidering software) is ALSO a visionary philosopher!

    Excellent, I'm on a par with a giant online catalogue. I mean I could have figured Google for a Word Warrior or something but it isnt about to pass a Turing test. And you and I are all in the same little box, all as equally visionary as something that spends all day, every day, from now until the end of time reading web pages. Actually now I come to put it like that, given that I've read this far, it must be right.

    Still not sure if I should feel good about it though. I shall philosophize(se?) about it just in case I'm missing out on a good thing.

    Posted by craig at February 25, 2007 1:01 AM

    oh wonderful. tickle 'VP' 136 here, high sucker quotient because I paid the 14.95 (in May '06). Just getting around to googling VP today. lmao. I wish I was the visionary philosopher that thought up this brilliant marketing scheme. I didn't consider myself to be so naive! BTW, my stats are BA in accounting, IT experienced, love sudoku and boggle & generally very competitive by nature. Myers-Briggs = ENTJ. I used to be a very driven and productive professional, but now own my own part-time business which I am too lazy to promote, but which gives me an excuse to waste lots of time online.

    Do we need to have 2 separate clubs...1 for those who googled BEFORE paying and another consolation club for those who googled AFTER paying?

    Aw shucks. The elitist feeling was definitely worth the 14.95 until my ego needed more strokes and went googling.

    I think I'll leave my printed Tickle achievement certificate hanging on my wall, just for the irony

    Posted by va j at April 1, 2007 12:46 PM
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